# Gods sabbath day SAVED! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 25, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937 "2009-11-25T19:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/61 "2009-11-26T00:17:09Z")
There are 613 Jewish commandments, of which the Sabbath is one (or more, I haven’t read them all). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/62 "2009-11-26T00:18:50Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > KINDLE NO FIRE. Ya think this might be a parable? After all, common sense should tell ya that some of Gods people might be in the colder regions of the world. They might have to start a fire to stay warm or cook some food. Guess you don’t know any Orthodox Jews. No, they don’t start a fire on the Sabbath. They eat cold food if the fire goes out. No, it’s not a parable. See, like I said - your religion is made up by humans, in this case with a contribution by yourself because you don’t want to believe devout Jews don’t kindle fires on the Sabbath when even a modicum of research in the real world will prove your belief false. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/63 "2009-11-26T00:20:10Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > What’s the point of being a stickler about keeping the Jewish Sabbath Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, **The sabbath was made for man** , and not man for the sabbath: Its true the Jews are part of mankind. I figure you are to ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/64 "2009-11-26T00:21:56Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > We have to remember what the original commandment was. The Jews added over a hundred more commandments (thats what i heard) to the original sabbath command. So you’re saying that some of the stuff in the Old Testament is just meaningless crap that the Jews made up, and not the actual word of God? Answer carefully. You’re on treacherous ground here. The “light no fire, do no work” rules are pretty central to the Jewish Sabbath. It’s right there in Exodus and Moses lays it out very bluntly: Don’t work. Don’t light a fire in your dwelling. Orthodox Jews take those rules very seriously as part of their Sabbath observances, so it’s not like it’s impossible (or even that difficult) to do. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/65 "2009-11-26T00:23:23Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Mark 2:27 > And he said unto them, **The sabbath was made for man** , and not man for the sabbath: > > Its true the Jews are part of mankind. I figure you are to You still haven’t answered the point on how you can pick and choose which commandments to ignore and which to obey. The Bible says many immoral things, many things I would not obey. Why should I even bother to pick through it to find the things that aren’t ‘parable’ (not that we’ve established any firm method to find out what is a parable and what isn’t). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/66 "2009-11-26T00:24:22Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Mark 2:27 > And he said unto them, **The sabbath was made for man** , and not man for the sabbath: > > Its true the Jews are part of mankind. I figure you are to So if the sabbath is “made for man”, what difference does it make if you observe it on Sunday instead of Saturday? I mean, if you’re already blowing off the big rules that Moses handed down about how to observe the Sabbath properly, what difference does it make if you pick a different day? ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/67 "2009-11-26T00:24:54Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Guess you don’t know any Orthodox Jews. No, they don’t start a fire on the Sabbath. They eat cold food if the fire goes out. No, it’s not a parable. Wow, so you think orthodox Jews are the final say on what we are to believe? Well..i think ill stick to the scriptures ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/68 "2009-11-26T00:25:09Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > We have to remember what the original commandment was. The Jews added over a hundred more commandments (thats what i heard) to the original sabbath command. Oh? That’s what you _heard?_ Who was speaking? Gee, maybe you should ask some Jewish people about their religion instead of just guessing. The Jews say ALL of those commands were made by God, so you certainly didn’t hear it from them, did you? > [@](#): > > So…why in the world would any believer look for another day of rest? I dunno - but then, I’ve never been a Christian so, unlike some people who make up fantasies about other peoples’ religion, I admit I don’t know and I’d have to ask a Christian that question. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/69 "2009-11-26T00:25:33Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I thought it was trying to get extra shares of an estate? > > IIRC > > Onan’s brother is dead. G-d tells Onan to have sex with his brother’s wife and conceive a son, who will be the legal heir to the estate. Instead of just saying no, Onan has sex with the woman but pulls out. So, he attempted to keep the estate all to himself, and to have the pleasure of sex without conceiving the heir he was commanded to sire. Right, but had he refused to provide an heir for Er’s widow, his younger brother could have provided an heir. By agreeing to a levirate marriage and then taking steps to not produce an heir he was attempting to acquire a larger inheritance of Judah’s property under false pretenses. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/70 "2009-11-26T00:27:24Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Wow, so you think orthodox Jews are the final say on what we are to believe? Well..i think ill stick to the scriptures Well, why would I think YOUR myths are any better than anyone else’s myths? And don’t you and the Jews operate out of the same book? Or are you saying that the Old Testament is NOT the word of your God? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/71 "2009-11-26T00:28:14Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Wow, so you think orthodox Jews are the final say on what we are to believe? Well..i think ill stick to the scriptures You said ‘kindle no fire’ was clearly a parable. You’ve been shown millions of people over thousands of years who take it literally. How is it then _clearly_ a parable? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/72 "2009-11-26T00:31:08Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Well, why would I think YOUR myths are any better than anyone else’s myths?? My myths bring all the goys to the yard and they’re like ‘It’s better than yours’ Damn right, it’s better than yours I could teach you, But I’d have to charge . . . ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/73 "2009-11-26T00:32:17Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Wow, so you think orthodox Jews are the final say on what we are to believe? Well..i think ill stick to the scriptures Oh, really? You really think that some Orthodox Jew just woke up one day and said, “I guess I’ll make up this rule”? And that the other Jews just said, “Hey, great idea! Let’s run with it!” Under Christian, Jewish, and Muslim dogmas, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy were written down by Moses. Now, if you want to say that God didn’t concern himself with what Moses was writing down, you can try that argument, but you’re going to have to come up with a little more proof before I’ll take your word over Moses. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/74 "2009-11-26T00:39:34Z")
I would like to thank you all for discussing this matter of the sabbath with me. I know i have not replied to all who have posted. There are so many and im a one finger typer guy and my finger is gettin tired. See yas tommorrow and may all of you enjoy a wonderful thanksgiving day ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/75 "2009-11-26T00:50:34Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Scripture should not be personally interpreted. Let scripture interpret scripture and youll find the truth Irony gold. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/76 "2009-11-26T02:12:46Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Actually, I’m pretty sure that Deuteronomy 22:22 is ignored more often. At least, I hope it is. What about 22:11? “Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together”. Seems pretty clear and unambiguous to me – not a lot of contextual wiggle room there – and probably ignored by virtually everyone. Or do Orthodox Jews observe it? (serious question) ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/77 "2009-11-26T02:16:48Z")
**Apollyon** Orthodox Jews hold (for complicated reasons with a few cites) that verse applies only to mixtures of linen and wool. Mixing any other two fabrics is fine. ETA **CMKeller** explained it to me in the Jews Can’t Get Tattoos thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/78 "2009-11-26T04:22:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > \*\*Deuteronomy 23:1 \*\* He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. > > This seems pretty harsh. So if you were kicked in the nuts during a soccer practice on Saturday, you are not allowed to go to church on Sunday? How do they test for this sort of thing? > [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Itll be written on your face I’ll bet it would: :eek: > [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > I would like to thank you all for discussing this matter of the sabbath with me. I know i have not replied to all who have posted. There are so many and im a one finger typer guy and my finger is gettin tired. I’ll bet. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/79 "2009-11-26T13:50:10Z")
Since no one can say what was really the word of God and we just believe in the human that was supposed to have had God tell him certain things is not proof of anything. One believes in the human that wrote it,not God, so I doubt any God would be troubled if one didn’t follow the writings of some human. A human said it was inspired,or authored by God, hence so many religions. We humans pick and choose what, or who, we want to believe. Some put the value of a piece of land (or something else) ahead of other peoples lives, and that is a sad thing,I doubt any God would want such a thing to be used in His name. Jesus, according to the authors didn’t think much about people who wore their religions on their sleeve,and made public showings of their religions. He asked his followers not to follow the example of the Pharisees who he called empty tombs,hypocrites,etc. because they wore their religious symbols and tried to act all holy, and better than the others. Now the funamentalists and some others want people to write in God we trust on all their mail. Why they do not just trust in God I do not know, but find it so necessary to proclaim their religion to the whole world, Why not just live it as they were taught to do, and let God worry about the rest. To me that is a great lack of trust, to have to claim every where they go to make a show of the fact that they are believers. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/80 "2009-11-26T13:53:01Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Since no one can say what was really the word of God and we just believe in the human that was supposed to have had God tell him certain things is not proof of anything. One believes in the human that wrote it,not God, so I doubt any God would be troubled if one didn’t follow the writings of some human. A human said it was inspired,or authored by God, hence so many religions. We humans pick and choose what, or who, we want to believe. Some put the value of a piece of land (or something else) ahead of other peoples lives, and that is a sad thing,I doubt any God would want such a thing to be used in His name. > > Jesus, according to the authors didn’t think much about people who wore their religions on their sleeve,and made public showings of their religions. He asked his followers not to follow the example of the Pharisees who he called empty tombs,hypocrites,etc. because they wore their religious symbols and tried to act all holy, and better than the others. > > Now the funamentalists and some others want people to write in God we trust on all their mail. Why they do not just trust in God I do not know, but find it so necessary to proclaim their religion to the whole world, Why not just live it as they were taught to do, and let God worry about the rest. To me that is a great lack of trust, to have to claim every where they go to make a show of the fact that they are believers. Oops! even after that I gorgot the d in fundamentalists! Sorry! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937.md?page=5)