# Godzilla Vs. Kong - OK, so did anybody else see this thing? (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [April 1, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126 "2021-04-01T01:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/1 "2021-04-01T01:20:27Z")
Schlock? Trash? I’m not sure. It certainly looks like it cost a lot of money and the effects were amazing. But… Did they just go to the center of the Earth? Did Godzilla then shoot his ray to the center of the Earth? And kind of look down the hole at them? Did we really need all of this in one movie? The opening, the water scene, the journey to the center of the earth, and the fight in Hong Kong. And the fight with Mecha-godzilla? This felt like a three hour movie cut down to 1 hour and 40 minutes. I say all this negative stuff, but it was actually almost impressive how jam packed it was and how much stuff they threw up on the screen. It’s better than both Godzilla movies that came our recently, but much worse than Skull Island. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/2 "2021-04-01T02:03:59Z")
Kongan the Apebarian is somehow a thing. Also, I really tried to figure out a pun between King Kong and King Kull, but I couldn’t get there. On the other hand, Kong is now the Ape-Axe Predator. And I can’t believe no character in the movie used that. It’s right there people! I’m pretty sure that King Kong and Godzilla’s mothers were both named Martha. I am disappointed the upper management of Apex turned out to be just randomly assholish corporate executives and not Xiliens. I apologize for the incoherence of this post, but I just watched the movie, and I think it may have caused traumatic brain injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/3 "2021-04-01T02:20:36Z")
I was very disappointed by the recent Godzilla movies (but I liked Skull Island) but this one was a lot of fun. The “people” stuff was a little tedious but I really enjoyed the Monster action. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/4 "2021-04-01T02:24:21Z")
I didn’t see either of the Godzillas but I really liked Skull Island. Are either of the Godzillas required viewing for this one? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/5 "2021-04-01T02:24:44Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Did they just go to the center of the Earth? Yes. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Did Godzilla then shoot his ray to the center of the Earth? Yes. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > And kind of look down the hole at them? No. Not kind of. He _totally_ looked down the hole at them. And yelled at them. Then Kong looked up the hole at Godzilla and yelled at him. From the Center of the Earth. Then climbed up with his Ape-Ax. From the Center of the Earth. These are things that happened. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Did we really need all of this in one movie? The opening, the water scene, the journey to the center of the earth, and the fight in Hong Kong. And the fight with Mecha-godzilla? Did we really need Beethoven’s _Ode to Joy_? Did we really need _The Iliad_ and _The Odyssey_? Did we really need any of humanity’s greatest artistic achievements? You may as well ask what use is a newborn baby. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > This felt like a three hour movie cut down to 1 hour and 40 minutes. I say all this negative stuff, but it was actually almost impressive how jam packed it was and how much stuff they threw up on the screen. Absolutely agreed. Unfortunately, I think when they jammed all of that stuff in, they kind of squeezed out plot, and character, and coherence. Like, just, every single bit of those. I kind of want to have liked this movie more. It’s actually admirable in just how sheerly _nuts_ it is. I am dead serious about that. But…it just seemed to take itself so _seriously_. I thought _Pacific Rim_ covered this terrain _much_ better, mainly by approaching it with an infectious sense of _fun_. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/6 "2021-04-01T02:28:47Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I didn’t see either of the Godzillas but I really liked Skull Island. Are either of the Godzillas required viewing for this one? I loved Skull Island and would go ahead and tell you that no Godzilla movie is required for this one. This was less good than Skull Island, but much better than the Godzilla movies you wisely skipped. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/7 "2021-04-01T02:31:46Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I didn’t see either of the Godzillas but I really liked Skull Island. Are either of the Godzillas required viewing for this one? I think they’re _supposed_ to be. There are characters and plot points, especially from the second one, that appear or are referenced. But I’ve seen all of them, and I still found the movie incoherent. I think all you really need to know is: Millie Bobbie Brown plays a character that was central to the plot of the second Godzilla movie. Her father is the director of Monarch, a super-science/military organization that deals with giant monsters. The prevailing in-universe theory is that all those giant monsters come from a lost world inside the Hollow Earth and that they are a sort of homeostatic planetary defense mechanism. Godzilla killed an extraterrestrial giant monster in the last movie and humans seemed to accept that he was unpredictable but necessary to defend Earth against other even worse giant monsters. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/8 "2021-04-01T02:37:36Z")
Anyone else catch the references to _Die Hard_ and _Lethal Weapon 2_? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/9 "2021-04-01T03:12:04Z")
This was my favorite of the four. It was bat shit crazy, but was internally quite coherent even though I’ve forgotten most of the plot points from the previous films. I’m a big Monster Zero fan, so to have him come back (in a way) as the big bad provided a bit of a nerdgasm. BTW, where’s that third skull? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/10 "2021-04-01T03:15:26Z")
Some fun, some trash. If you are easily mesmerized by blinking lights then you’ll enjoy this movie. There’s too much wrong with it but then I enjoyed it anyway. Just like a real Godzilla movie. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/11 "2021-04-01T11:58:18Z")
Kong fought several prehistoric to beasts in the original movie with Fay Wray. I am thinking about watching the new movie. Streaming is safe and convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/12 "2021-04-01T12:15:09Z")
Yeah, I couldn’t get past them taking the little girl with them on the mission. But I guess she’s the gorilla whisperer or something. Awesome SE, but that’s about the only thi9ng I enjoyed about this movie. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/13 "2021-04-01T13:06:45Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Anyone else catch the references to _Die Hard_ and _Lethal Weapon 2_ ? No. Can you tell us what they were? I’d like to know. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/14 "2021-04-01T13:10:36Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Anyone else catch the references to _Die Hard_ and _Lethal Weapon 2_ ? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > No. Can you tell us what they were? I’d like to know. For _Lethal Weapon 2_: Riggs self-resets a dislocated shoulder by ramming it into a solid surface while yelling in a manly fashion. King Kong does the same during the throwdown in Hong Kong. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/15 "2021-04-01T13:11:09Z")
I’m not clear on where they were in that big fight, I think maybe it was Hong Kong. I gotta say, they have an incredible electric system there, all the lights stayed on while two monsters engaged in grudge match destroying half the city. They clearly are not using National Grid, a slight breeze will take our power out. They did include plenty of the changes in proportion required in any giant monkey movie. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/16 "2021-04-01T13:28:12Z")
It was a nice touch that they resurrected Ricardo Montalban for Easter. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/17 "2021-04-01T14:38:05Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Riggs self-resets a dislocated shoulder by ramming it into a solid surface while yelling in a manly fashion. King Kong does the same during the throwdown in Hong Kong. I did see that, but I did not think of it as a Lethal Weapon 2. I do remember it in that movie as well(Mel Gibson legit does it, I think). What is the die hard? I thought someone was going to say that Kong muttered about being too old for this shit(Lethal Weapon). Did Kong walk over glass? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/18 "2021-04-01T14:44:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Did Kong walk over glass? Well, he was barefoot. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/19 "2021-04-01T14:49:33Z")
My favorite part is where the entire US Navy is subordinate to a primatologist and a hollow earth truther. In that regard, it’s quite faithful to the world created in the early Toho films. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126/20 "2021-04-01T14:54:07Z")
Is that the axe Kong stuffs in Godzilla’s mouth? That’s a callback to the original where Kong tries the same thing with a tree. Kong tries to pull his jaw apart like he did to a T. Rex way back in the original, I don’t remember he tried that in the first movie. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/godzilla-vs-kong-ok-so-did-anybody-else-see-this-thing-open-spoilers/939126.md?page=2)