Going Clear, Alex Gibney's new documentary about Scientology

Why wouldn’t he make himself a foot or two taller?

How did you manage that? Were you a member?

Better yet–shrink everyone else. Much more impressive.

Here’s the actual video: http://youtu.be/UFBZ_uAbxS0

He is definitely M.E.S.T.-up.

Ah. You’re the one whose picture the CoS has been using on their Twitter feed to show how everybody is bored with the film.

Haha! I was thinking of those ridiculous ads when I read that too.

I can’t link at the moment but according to The Wrap regarding Sunday night’s premiere:

Not bad. I think I expected more, but every little bit helps spread the word. Each showing on HBO will hurt.

That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!

Hmm… I can see why people become anti-semantics.

Seriously. Xenu?! Xenu?!?! :dubious::confused: If it wasn’t true (the fact that people believed this), I’d never believe it.

That’s very close. It’s definitely something about a “stepsister”.

I actually would be surprised if L. Ron himself wasn’t gay. He pinged my gaydar (normally, I would dismiss this as junk science, but I have a gay friend who told me my gaydar is pretty accurate… so there’s that.)

I have also read that many people who are rabid anti-homosexuals are in fact, homosexual themselves, and use their behavior as a way to cover their own sexuality.

But it seems that it is a very bad thing to be homosexual in Scientology, so if someone were to confess this in one of their auditing sessions, that would be a pretty heavy hammer to use to keep someone in line.

The world was a different place when Travolta was breaking into the entertainment industry. And he was a sex-symbol. To come out back then would have been a potential career-killer. And if this is information that Scientology had on Travolta, I can see how he could get sucked into the organization.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Travolta is gay, and I really doubt it would hurt his acting career at all if he were to come out now. I don’t know much at all about Travolta’s personal life, other than being married… I don’t even know if he has any children. But if he is gay and lives his entire life in the closet, he may have his own reasons, and they may not be tied to Scientology at all.

I think it is a shame that anyone has to live a life that hides who they really are, but it is ultimately his choice.

Cruise, on the other hand, was portrayed to be rather pathetic. The whole “I need a girlfriend” episode, where the church actually gave a woman an assignment to be his girlfriend was just bizarre.

Yes, and did people note that Gibney said that she hasn’t spoken out because of an NDA, but he found out about it via FBI files?? Imagine having FBI files on your love life! Poor girl. If there’s anything that should have been left out, it should have been that. I really feel sorry for her.

IIRC his son Jett died of a seizure due to his Autism, which Travolta stated publicly, which caused a problem for him within the church b/c Scientology believes that psychiatric diagnoses are fake Nazi doctor inventions, designed so that the Nazi doctors could administer drugs to keep people from using their Thetan mind powers.

Wow.

If this is true, it is just sad.

And isn’t autism a neurological issue, not psychological?

I feel for Travolta… If he has had to deal with the issues in his life (including an autistic child) with his “church” banging on him at every turn, it’s a wonder he hasn’t cracked under the strain.

My mind was drifting between the lines during the “Spanky goes to prison” portion. Do we have a timeline on that? I was thinking about Travolta’s career, about how he started out mega-successful, then practically couldn’t get arrested for a decade or two, then was reborn in 94 with Pulp Fiction. I guess i was thinking about this because the film mentioned the red-hot start of his career, but then seemed to pretend that his quite famous slump never happened.

I got the impression that during Spanky’s ordeal, Travolta either started drifting away from or maybe even confronted the church, and I’m wondering if her punishment and leaving the church happened to coincide with the beginning of the dead spot in his career. And then after a bunch of years he returns to the fold, and then bang, he gets Pulp Fiction.

Am I reading way too much into it? That’s just where my mind drifted while watching that part.

Nah, I’m pretty sure his career rebirth is entirely due to Quentin Tarantino. And the near-death experience was due to terrible films like Two of a Kind with Olivia Newton John and Perfect with Jamie Lee Curtis.

Fuck Bodhi Elfman, equating rich, cushy, deluded Scientologists with Jews, and critics and ex-Scientologists with Nazis.

This is weird.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/08/shock-alliance-farrakhan-praises-integration-of-scientology-into-nation-of-islam-theology-says-whites-should-use-it-to-become-civilized-to-avoid-being-devil-christians-satan-jews/

My first thought was “good drugs”. But Scientology is extremely anti-drug. I once went to one of their centers and was audited. But I never went back. During the auditing, they asked me to tell them every single kind of drug I had ever taken.

They told me that if I joined the church, I could no longer take any drugs - even if they were prescribed by my doctor. That did it for me. I never went back and eventually had to tell them that if they didn’t stop phoning me and berating me to come back, I would call the police and have them arrested.

But the real reason I never went back was when they told me I could never take any drugs any more - legal drugs or illegal drugs. I realized they were out of their freaking minds and I should be the one counselling them - not the other way around.

Fuck Scientology. It’s a horrible criminal scam.

No drugs of any kind? They’re website says that they can take drugs if they’re physically ill.

I don’t know why they’d ever by physically ill. Can’t Tom Cruise just cure them all with his magic powers?