# "Going down a rabbit hole" - what does that mean to you? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 14, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517 "2021-01-14T14:27:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/21 "2021-01-15T00:51:55Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Both of those uses, but more your wife’s. It means to go get sucked deep into something, to lose your way, and be unable to find your way out. If you’re not trapped, you’re not in a rabbit hole. If you watch 100 cat videos because you’re bored, that’s not a rabbit hole. If you watch 100 cat videos when you really ought to be doing something else, but you just can’t quit because “just one more video won’t hurt,” that’s a rabbit hole. What really qualifies as going down a rabbit hole in that instance is if you devour cat videos because they hold the key to the universe that They don’t want you to know. The usage I’m most familiar with revolves around becoming ever more deeply enmeshed in illogic and fantasy (with a strong element of conspiracy theory). Not everyone defines it the same way, of course. I remember an Amazon book reviewer who embraced an especially nutty form of woo, describing approvingly how the more she read, the further she went down the rabbit hole. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/22 "2021-01-15T01:37:26Z")
I think it can be used either way. I’m a fan of the book. Alice falls and falls and falls and when she finally lands she is in a strange, inescapable place. Most famously it was used in the Matrix to refer to an alternate reality (in that case, the real one) to see “how deep the rabbit hole goes.” So I would tend to favor your wife’s usage, but totally understand what you mean when you use it more casually. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/23 "2021-01-15T04:22:12Z")
IMO going down _ **A** _ rabbit hole means what you think it means, but going down _ **THE** _ rabbit hole means your wife’s meaning. The “the” indicates “that specific rabbit hole, from that book” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/24 "2021-01-15T04:36:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Your wife’s usage is, let’s be honest, more consistent with its origin. I agree with **RickJay**. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever heard the wikipedia-type meaning. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/25 "2021-01-15T11:17:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I have heard the expression used both ways. Your wife’s usage is, let’s be honest, more consistent with its origin. I think each meaning has a separate origin. One is definitely a reference to _Alice’s Adventures In Wonderland_, but the other is a reference to the maze of a rabbit warren. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/26 "2021-01-15T17:47:29Z")
I find this type of discussion so interesting! I’m constantly looking up idioms and where the originated from. This is very similar, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/27 "2021-01-15T19:05:04Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Both of those uses, but more your wife’s. It means to go get sucked deep into something, to lose your way, and be unable to find your way out. If you’re not trapped, you’re not in a rabbit hole. If you watch 100 cat videos because you’re bored, that’s not a rabbit hole. If you watch 100 cat videos when you really ought to be doing something else, but you just can’t quit because “just one more video won’t hurt,” that’s a rabbit hole. I disagree with this, because I think that the actual definition of the term rabbit hole means that you end up somewhere other than you started - specifically that you have followed a path or chain of thought and end up somewhere unexpected and strange that doesn’t really follow from or relate to where you started or where you wanted to be. So just doing the same thing over and over in an addictive manner isn’t this. I feel that this describes both perspectives described in the OP, though the fact that the wife’s definition _starts_ with them in an alternate reality means that it’s only describing half the trip - the full descent of a Trumper starts with them being largely reasonable, somewhat decent people, who make a series of decisions that each seems reasonable within the context of their experience at the time (listen to the news, listen more to the enjoyable Fox news, listen only to Fox news) but ends with them being immoral sociopaths that entirely support atrocities of all kinds. The notion that going down the rabbit hole makes you crazy isn’t really accurate; it’s more that where you end up is crazy. After all Alice didn’t end up crazy at the end of _her_ trip. Going down the rabbit hole only makes you crazy if the rabbit hole you’re going down involves how you think, not just where you are or what you’re looking at. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/28 "2021-01-15T19:33:50Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > IMO going down _ **A** _ rabbit hole means what you think it means, but going down _ **THE** _ rabbit hole means your wife’s meaning. I think you’re right, that it matters whether you say “going down a rabbit hole” or “going down the rabbit hole.” ---
**Author:** ![P-man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/p-man/32/3606_2.png) [@P-man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P-man)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/29 "2021-01-15T21:59:25Z")
I’m a librarian. I guide people through rabbit holes. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/30 "2021-01-15T23:25:51Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > > [@Aspidistra](#): > > > > IMO going down _ **A** _ rabbit hole means what you think it means, but going down _ **THE** _ rabbit hole means your wife’s meaning. > > I think you’re right, that it matters whether you say “going down a rabbit hole” or “going down the rabbit hole.” OP here and yeah, not to dismiss anyone else’s responses - it’s been a very enlightening discussion - but I think @Aspidistra nailed it. “A” vs “The” makes a big difference. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/31 "2021-01-15T23:31:11Z")
To me, it means entering into a situation where you don’t know what to expect, what the rules are, and so on. My brother described the aftermath of his cancer diagnosis with that phrase. What if this turned out to be fatal? Would his family be taken care of? What if there’s a difficult decision to be made about surgery? How long does he have? Everything turned out ok for him, by the way. I don’t think it has to be a bad situation—but I wouldn’t use it to describe, say, winning the lottery. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/32 "2021-01-16T02:42:06Z")
I agree with those who contend that they’re not two separate usages. The OP’s wife is using it in a narrower context, but it’s not particularly far removed from the being distracted by non-political tangents usage. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/33 "2021-01-16T03:41:02Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > IMO going down _ **A** _ rabbit hole means what you think it means, but going down _ **THE** _ rabbit hole means your wife’s meaning. The “the” indicates “that specific rabbit hole, from that book” Yep, this was my immediate thought upon reading the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/34 "2021-01-19T19:02:05Z")
I’ve heard this expression twice in the last week and in both cases it was a reference to losing track of time by researching something obsessively. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/35 "2021-01-19T19:08:50Z")
I routinely use the phrase to mean > [@Shoeless](#): > > My understanding and use of “going down a rabbit hole” is one where you start getting sidetracked by tangents until you are significantly far away from where you started. and that’s mostly how I hear it used, too. But I think I’ve also heard your wife’s meaning, and it’s clear from context, and I agree with others that those two meanings are closely related. In both cases, you fall into a morass that pulls your away from wherever you started and is hard to escape. I don’t think I’ve ever heard this ues. though: > [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > To me, it means entering into a situation where you don’t know what to expect, what the rules are, and so on. I can see how that is a reasonable extrapolation from _Alice_, but it’s not language I’m familiar with. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/36 "2021-01-19T19:43:06Z")
A rabbit hole story courtesy of a family friend. Friend’s dog, a beagle or basset hound decided to chase a rabbit and when the slippery bugger ducked into a hole, the dog followed. Got well and truly stuck in that hole. Friend had to call professionals for help, the police, fire department, animal control, whoever was willing to officially help an old dude dig his beloved hound out of a hole. Careful digging and much time elapsed they were able to safely extricate the dog from the hole. Upon hitting the ground, the dog dove right back into that hole to get his rabbit. That’s what going down a rabbit hole means to me. ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/37 "2021-01-19T20:21:42Z")
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤪 🤪 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/38 "2021-01-20T04:09:27Z")
I work with a nutcase, a flat Earther and Trumpist. I personally can’t stand to talk to him, but another guy will. The CT guy says he started off with 9-11, them the more research “lead him down the rabbit hole”, in his own words. Incidentally, your noontime will role around and Trump will still be president! ---
**Author:** ![MustangSal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mustangsal/32/6327_2.png) [@MustangSal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MustangSal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/39 "2021-01-21T01:02:19Z")
Going down a rabbit hole means to get on the internet, looking for an answer about military protocol, 6 hours later you have signed up for a message board and are discussing curse words with strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-down-a-rabbit-hole-what-does-that-mean-to-you/930517/40 "2021-01-21T02:01:24Z")
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