# Going out on a limb: Kobe fucking did it, man. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2003, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599 "2003-10-10T02:07:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/61 "2003-10-11T12:57:12Z")
No, for statutory rape she’d have to be under the age of consent. That varies from state to state, but it’s generally somewhere in the low to mid teens. At 19, she’s legally an adult in most jurisdictions. ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/62 "2003-10-11T13:54:53Z")
**thinksnow** , is that you? 'Cause it sure doesn’t \*sound \*like you… At any rate, I think the evidence so far looks bad for Kobe. I also think that you’d have to be seven kinds of stupid to have rough sex with a teenager/total stranger when you’re a married man with a bazillion dollars to lose. Of course, I _also_ think you’d have to be terribly naive to visit said bazillionaire alone in his hotel room…aah, hell. I don’t know what to think. I do know that one can have that much sex with that many people over a couple of days, some of it that might be considered rough, and still walk a way with nary a bruise or injury. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/63 "2003-10-11T14:09:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EddyTeddyFreddy \* > \*\*, but it’s generally somewhere in the low to mid teens. \*\* No. With a few exceptions, the age of consent in all US states ranges from 16-18. [http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm](http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm) (scroll down to get US info. I do not vouch for this site, but have no reason to believe it’s not accurate, and a spot check or two found no errors.) ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/64 "2003-10-11T14:23:38Z")
I think I need to clarify my post a tad. I don’t think that this was a case of consensual rough sex at all. I’m far more inclined to believe the rape allegation at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/65 "2003-10-11T14:31:25Z")
Yeah, you guys are right. I’ve seen accurate ages of concest listed here several times; I think I was recalling some older junk I used to hear that involved some misconceptions about the ‘three years older’ stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/66 "2003-10-11T14:50:39Z")
> [@](#): > > …aah, hell. I don’t know what to think. Welcome to my world. Yesterday the accused sounded compelling, today she sounds like a gold-digging “cum dumpster.” Glad I’m not going to sit on that jury. The problem with the gold-digging “cum dumpster” defense is that it tends to exonerate famous athletes 100% of the time – as women line up to throw themselves at athletes in many cases. Professional athletes aren’t _that_ stupid, they know that (real) presumption of innocence they have over “normal” people. Based on what athletes do in HS and college, is it really so hard to believe that he might have thought he could get away with a “rough quickie with a fan” – in his mind? He may honestly believe she consented, and she may honestly believe she did not, based on the two different worlds they live in. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/67 "2003-10-11T14:56:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by margin \* > \*\*On the contrary, **thinksnow** as the quote by D the C illustrates, we know _everything_ we need to know about your character. Everything. I don’t care if you’re kind to your dear old mum and adopt puppies. You pretty much just spouted every rape cliche there is. Yeah, she’s a starfucking woman scorned who gleefully fucked some guy, then cried rape. Uh, yeah. Yeah, your character is above reproach. \*\* Your own character above reproach, **margin** , for making false claims in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=201553) and then utterly failing to respond with cites or withdraw them. You lied about something, got called on it, and then slunk off. As long as we’re talking character and all. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/68 "2003-10-11T14:58:38Z")
…“normal” people… By that I mean, athletes know they can get away with almost anything up to, and including, murder. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/69 "2003-10-11T15:00:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > **Yeah, you guys are right. I’ve seen accurate ages of concest listed here several times;** The “age of concest” only applies in Arkansas and parts of West Virginny. ---
**Author:** ![wakimika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@wakimika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wakimika)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/70 "2003-10-11T16:58:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > \*\ ***Ellis** , I’m not sure it’s plausible that he stopped, as a rape kit generally includes semen. Perhaps it didn’t and we haven’t heard about it yet, I don’t know. > > What I’ve heard so far makes me think he did it, but the circumstances of my life (and the horrific response the girl has gotten from some quarters) don’t make me an objective observer, though I think I can judge the facts fairly. Anyway, like I said, I think he did it based on what I know at the moment. But there’s the matter of what I don’t know yet. > > The hearing today was apparently pretty down and dirty [and was suspended abruptly](http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/09/bryant.case/index.html). Anyone know why Mackey would do this? She mentioned the accuser’s name SIX times (the judge reprimanded her and she said it was an accident, which just befuddles me), and then she threw out the random comment about sex with three men in three days. Why would she do that? \*\* I think Mackey did that for two reasons. Like **Ferret Herder** said, she was trying to influence the jury. But I think her principal motive was to scare the bejesus out the alleged victim, hoping she’ll recant, refuse to testify, run away or otherwise withdraw. It’s extremeley nasty but she was essentially telling her: This is how it’s gonna be. We’re going to publicize your name, we’ll bring up all of your sexual history. We will do _anything_ to win. Some lawyers are downright scary. ---
**Author:** ![whiteboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@whiteboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiteboy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/71 "2003-10-11T17:13:59Z")
Since when does “vaginal bruising” translate into “shredding” She’s a 19, and possibly not that experienced Kobe is a big guy, it doesn’t seem so strange to me that there might be a little blood or bruising ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/72 "2003-10-11T17:30:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by whiteboy \* > \*\*She’s a 19, and possibly not that experienced > > \*\* so, which please is it? she’s a star fucking whore, or so inexperienced that a single consensual sexual encounter causes vaginal bruising? ---
**Author:** ![SnoopyFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@SnoopyFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnoopyFan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/73 "2003-10-11T18:25:32Z")
**The “age of concest” only applies in Arkansas and parts of West Virginny.** Take my hand, **Mojo**. Join the rest of us in the 21st century, where people know better than to say dumbass things like that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/74 "2003-10-11T18:30:50Z")
There was vaginal tearing. That’s more than just bruising. Also, the fact that Kobe is tall does not mean that he is necessarily “gifted” in other respects. AFAIK, there is no correlation between physical stature and the size of one’s crank. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/75 "2003-10-11T18:42:20Z")
Two points I’d like to make. 1. Vaginal tearing can be quite difficult to avoid if you happen to be large. 2. If there is any validity to the claims that the alleged victim had sex with three different men just prior to the “rape”, and given that Kobe is a highly desirable sex partner for any given sexually promiscuous woman, wouldn’t a sexual rejection seem highly unlikely? Perhaps the victim had qualms about intimacy with a black man. If that was the reason she rejected him (and that’s the only one I can think of), would you still feel sympathetic towards her? ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/76 "2003-10-11T18:45:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*No. Photographs of the bruises have been submitted into evidence. I’ll stick with the “sick fuck” characterization. \*\* I haven’t read or heard anything about photographs of bruises on the neck. The only documented bruising is on the jawline (one bruise, smaller than a penny) - nothing on the neck consistent with the accuser’s story. So you might want to modify your characterisation (for now). > [@](#): > > There was vaginal tearing. That’s more than just bruising. There are degrees of tearing - from what I’ve heard, the tearing here is minimal (microscopic, pinprick tearing), which is inconclusive in regard to non-consensual sex. It can happen with consensual sex, especially if there is a size disparity, lack of lubrication, etc. - and is dependent on angle of entry as well. **Anyway, some new evidence:** It seems the rape kit report lists more than one semen sample collected from the victim’s panties, and this explains Mackey’s question about “three men in three days”. I think the door is now open to include this as relevant evidence - SDMB lawyers??? ---
**Author:** ![easy\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@easy\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/easy_e)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/77 "2003-10-11T18:49:28Z")
I’m still confused about the “sex with three men in three days remark.” Is there any evidence for that? The way I read it, the defense attorney was asking whether sex for 3 days straight could cause those injuries. If that is indeed the point she was making, what’s the difference between 3 different penes or just 1 penis? How is banging 3 guys in 3 days different than having sex with 1 guy 3 days straight? Oh, to try to smear the accuser. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/78 "2003-10-11T18:55:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by easy e \* > \*\*I’m still confused about the “sex with three men in three days remark.” Is there any evidence for that? The way I read it, the defense attorney was asking whether sex for 3 days straight could cause those injuries. If that is indeed the point she was making, what’s the difference between 3 different penes or just 1 penis? How is banging 3 guys in 3 days different than having sex with 1 guy 3 days straight? Oh, to try to smear the accuser. :smack: \*\* My source is a NY Daily News exclusive - supposedly comes from one of the defense lawyers (Hannon). If you were the one on trial, would you think of this information as simply “smearing the accuser”??? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/79 "2003-10-11T20:23:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps the victim had qualms about intimacy with a black man. If that was the reason she rejected him (and that’s the only one I can think of), would you still feel sympathetic towards her? Yes. People should have the right to refuse sex for any reason they choose. Having a “wrong” reason to refuse sex doesn’t justify rape. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599/80 "2003-10-11T21:04:54Z")
I’d just like to interject here that it isn’t enough to conclude that it is more probable than not that Kobe raped her. If that is all the jury can say then they must return a not-guilty verdict. Based on what I have seen and heard so far (and I admit I have not followed this too closely) I am not convinced that he raped her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-out-on-a-limb-kobe-fucking-did-it-man/206599.md?page=5)