# Going to England **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002 "2009-06-16T23:02:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/21 "2009-06-18T04:20:20Z")
> [@Chez\_Guevara](#): > > I lived in Blackpool for 17 years, return there occasionally, and do not recommend a visit. > > On the other hand: > > I live there now. > > It’s a beautiful area. I’ve never actually been to Blackpool, and only included it as a Northern alterantive for the Southern seaside resorts I suggested. 😃 At the time of year the OP’s coming to England, he really must visit a traditional seaside resort - it won’t be too cold for them yet, and they are an important facet of the country in many ways. If he’s not going to spend much time in London (for shame! There’s so much to see here!) then the Cotswolds, York and a general driving tour become more feasible. The one caveat I have for Bath is that the tourist sites there are so much more expensive than the ones I’m used to in London. It would still be very cool to visit some Roman baths, though. If you do end up coming in to Heathrow and driving out of London, the former mention of Windsor Castle is a good one; it’s a real castle that the Royal family do actually live in, though they won’t be there at the time you’re visiting. The town itself is pretty, too - lots of good fudge to buy. From Windsor it would be easy to drive West to Bath, then up to the Lake District (via the Cotswolds) then York. York is somewhere I would recommend only by hearsay - I’ve never actually been there. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/22 "2009-06-18T07:08:57Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > The Lake District, if you’re lucky enough to catch it on its sunny day. Edinburgh is my favorite city in the world. And Blenheim Palace - best palace ever! If you go to The Lakes be sure to take a look at The Church Of St. Johns in the Vale. Surely one of the most beautiful small churches around. There’s also the stone circle at Castlerigg ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/23 "2009-06-18T08:40:39Z")
> [@Goggles03](#): > > This is excellent, just what I was hoping for. Bath sounds cool, something for both me and my GF. I’d rather spend more time away from London and save that for another visit. My first choice for this trip was narrowboats, but that was vetoed. So it’s the English countryside and scenery for us. Also somewhere on the south coast, have to see the English Channel. > > The collected wisdom on this board amazes me. Thanks to Tapioca Dextrin, I now know what a coprolite is; it’s worth a trip to York just for that. Especially since I was eating supper at the time. Also the magic roundabout, another must-see. > > What should I expect for weather the first and second weeks of September? Summer’s not really over yet is it? If it’s the Channel you want to see, you’ll need to go to Kent. Some bits are minging. Some are lovely. Canterbury has a really rather good cathedral and some nice old houses, but apart from that it’s a bit run down and tourist-tacky. Rochester’s nice, a good castle, cathedral, funky old buildings, good second-hand bookshops, excellent pubs and sweetshops. However it is also touristy because Dickens lived there for a little while. It’s a bit like Mozart and Salzburg - he hated the place and couldn’t wait to get out, but now everywhere you go in the town there are shops named after his more irritating characters and things with his face on them. Don’t let it put you off though; the town itself is very nice, and you can ignore the Dickens. There’s also Leeds Castle in Kent, Downe House where Darwin lived, the town General Wolfe came from (but you’re not Canadian, are you?), some other castles and things, and really beautiful scenery (including the now-famous lavender fields)… it’s a pretty fun-packed county. Expect the unexpected. The first two weeks in September can be hot and summery or really really crap. There’s no way of knowing. (OK, so a meteorologist could probably tell you, but that’s no fun.) Oh by the way, in the name of Elizabeth David, don’t go to Blackpool. It’s a hideous hole. My partner comes from there. We avoid going back. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/24 "2009-06-18T10:30:53Z")
If you’re going to Stonehenge, another English Channel option would be to divert south to the Isle of Purbeck area (not actually an island) near Poole, one of the nicest bits of the south coast, perhaps via the New Forest. Many of the towns/cities actually on the coast are a bit drab. The more picturesque places tend to be inland a little. ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/25 "2009-06-18T10:46:05Z")
It’s funny, I know the Channel technically runs all the way round from Land’s End, but to me if you want to “visit” the Channel, it’s the bit round the corner that springs to my mind. I wonder why. The corner part also has most of the remaining fortifications and stuff. If you’re interested in wartime history, I’d recommend Dover. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/26 "2009-06-18T10:58:07Z")
The Strait of Dover section, you mean? I suppose if you actually want to gaze across at France and get a sense that it’s a channel you’re looking at and not just the sea, that’s the only place you can do it. ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/27 "2009-06-18T11:04:59Z")
Maybe that’s why! It’s the famous bit, I suppose; the bit people swim, the easiest sea crossing and stuff. When I’m in Sussex or Devon or Dorset or wherever, I just don’t look at the sea and think “Ah, the Channel!” the way I do when I’m in Kent. Which isn’t to say that I spend a lot of time in Kent thinking “Ah, the Channel!”. Now I just sound weird and no-one will take any of my advice. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Goggles03](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@Goggles03](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goggles03)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/28 "2009-06-18T11:51:44Z")
I grew up in “new” england, near Boston, MA so names like Middlesex, Acton, Bedford, Chelmsford, Concord, etc are familiar. I’ve always been facinated with England, more so than with the Mediterranean area. I figure a driving trip in the southern half of the country is the most I can manage during my vacation (hopefully warmer than up north). How does lodging work? Do I need reservations or can I just expect to drive somewhere and find a place to stay? And I don’t mean the Motel Six either. The ultimate purpose of this trip is to find myself in a different country, not just a drive over to Disneyworld. Teacake and others, thanks for all the information. I could buy travel books (already have) but it’s not the same as hearing from you all. ---
**Author:** ![jonbvn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@jonbvn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonbvn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/29 "2009-06-18T12:59:10Z")
> [@Goggles03](#): > > How does lodging work? Do I need reservations or can I just expect to drive somewhere and find a place to stay? In September most places should be fairly quiet, since children will be back in school. To find the best places to stay use trip advisor. I use it for places in the UK, and I live here. Online booking a few days before you arrive would be advisable IMHO. I would recommend you try a B&B (bed and breakfast) and have the “Full Monty” English breakfast. BTW, the weather will be extremely variable to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/30 "2009-06-18T13:50:22Z")
Bed and Breakfast in the UK has a very different meaning to Bed and Breakfast in the US. The UK version usually involves staying cheaply in some nice old lady’s spare room (more or less), while in the US it’s a over priced chintzy cottage that the owners pretend that something historical happened. ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/31 "2009-06-18T13:55:36Z")
I’ve had several successful holidays just driving about and checking into hotels when we got tired. Sometimes you may have to try a couple of places, but I’ve never ended up sleeping in the car. There’s also a tourist office in every town of any size which will book accommodation for you there and then for a small fee (couple of quid, I think). If you have specific places in mind that it would make you sad to miss staying in (convoluted), I’d book those in advance just to be sure, but I’d give myself the freedom if I were you. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/32 "2009-06-18T14:44:38Z")
> [@jonbvn](#): > > I would recommend you try a B&B (bed and breakfast) and have the “Full Monty” English breakfast. Wait, does that include sausage? ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/33 "2009-06-18T14:55:42Z")
If you’re really lucky, sausages, black pudding and sometimes even white pudding (though you’re more likely to get that in Scotland). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/34 "2009-06-18T15:02:48Z")
Do the B&B route. Seriously, half the fun of the trip we took was planning it out first and looking at all the B&Bs we could choose from, and then just picking the cheapest one, which usually still turned out to be quite nice. I could recommend one or two if you want. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stafford_cripps/32/7167_2.png) [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stafford_Cripps)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/35 "2009-06-18T15:22:18Z")
> [@Teacake](#): > > There are still some really nice villages which, though subsumed into the urban mass, retain their own features and individuality, like Walthamstow village, Dulwich Village, etc. I lived in Walthamstow and wasn’t aware that anyone saw it that way! Personally, for old places within Greater London I would recommend Greenwich, Richmond, Hampstead or Highgate. ---
**Author:** ![scareyfaerie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scareyfaerie/32/3135_2.png) [@scareyfaerie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scareyfaerie)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/36 "2009-06-18T15:37:24Z")
> [@G. Odoreida](#): > > I lived in Walthamstow and wasn’t aware that anyone saw it that way! You live in Walthamstow? Wow! You must know my friend Ian… I’d put in another vote for the Thermae Spa in Bath for an afternoon of relaxation, went there a couple of years ago for a hen weekend and we had a lot of trouble getting people to leave the spa. It was lovely, especially the roof-top pool. If you want to see the Channel, do it from Kent - Dover’s good and I understand that Herne Bay has recently been tarted up to look quite nice. For accommodation, B&Bs are great - you just never know what kind of place you’ll find yourself staying in. Kent is a beautiful county, it’s not called the Garden of England for nothing! There are some great towns and villages to visit, and it’s good sometimes to just drive about and stop wherever takes your fancy. Sussex has some interesting places to visit too - if you’re in that area, try Brighton, Hastings, Rye and Winchelsea for starters… ---
**Author:** ![Teacake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Teacake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teacake)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/37 "2009-06-18T15:49:07Z")
> [@G. Odoreida](#): > > I lived in Walthamstow and wasn’t aware that anyone saw it that way! Personally, for old places within Greater London I would recommend Greenwich, Richmond, Hampstead or Highgate. Well not the shitty part by the station or down that soulless high street, clearly! The part with the old church and graveyard and the pretty houses. There’s a couple of really nice pubs. It’s just a nice place to walk around and get the feel of how London’s tentacles have wrapped themselves around the ancient villages but not destroyed them. I just thought an American might find it interesting; their urban sprawl seems different. Greenwich et al are more places to go to see stuff, not just places to go to see the place, if you get what I mean. (Where’d you live? We were down on Brighton Avenue, near the inspiringly named Dyke Towers but actually in one of those tiny damp flats in a converted Edwardian terrace. Years ago, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/38 "2009-06-18T15:55:29Z")
> [@G. Odoreida](#): > > I lived in Walthamstow and wasn’t aware that anyone saw it that way! Personally, for old places within Greater London I would recommend Greenwich, Richmond, Hampstead or Highgate. Richmond is lovely, and it’s within walking distance of Kew Gardens. There’s not actually that much to do there, though. I suppose you could visit the rugby ground; Twickenham is just across the river. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/39 "2009-06-18T15:55:53Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Wait, does that include sausage? A typical English full breakfast consists of: Eggs, usually fried Bacon Sausage, big fat juicy fuck off bastards Fried/grilled tomato Baked beans Fried bread Mushrooms Black Pudding Toast. Wash that lot down with tea or coffee then lie groaning and feeling as if you’ll never need to eat again…until lunchtime 🙂 * * * Incidentally, if you’re on the motorway DO NOT stop to eat/drink/refuel at any of the M/way service stations unless you’re very rich, those buggers will rob you blind. Also, do not be put off by the reputation of transport cafes as being tatty and filthy. They’re not, a very good full English can be had at one of these places and very cheaply ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stafford_cripps/32/7167_2.png) [@The\_Stafford\_Cripps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stafford_Cripps)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002/40 "2009-06-18T16:54:49Z")
> [@Teacake](#): > > Well not the shitty part by the station or down that soulless high street, clearly! The part with the old church and graveyard and the pretty houses. There’s a couple of really nice pubs. It’s just a nice place to walk around and get the feel of how London’s tentacles have wrapped themselves around the ancient villages but not destroyed them. I just thought an American might find it interesting; their urban sprawl seems different. Greenwich et al are more places to go to see stuff, not just places to go to see the place, if you get what I mean. > > (Where’d you live? We were down on Brighton Avenue, near the inspiringly named Dyke Towers but actually in one of those tiny damp flats in a converted Edwardian terrace. Years ago, though.) Although it was Waltham Forest Borough I actually lived in Leyton, just north of the Orient ground (there were some old churches and almshouses there as well). I had some friends who lived in Walthamstow itself and we went out there quite often. I can remember William Morris’ house but I’d forgotten about the other stuff. When I think of Walthamstow now I tend to think of the 1930s mass that was the town hall (wasn’t the art college that Ian Dury attended also part of the same building?). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/going-to-england/500002.md?page=3)