# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/301 "2009-03-13T15:49:50Z")
You know Gonzo, the rest of us have google too. We can google the word “faggy” and post the first five or ten links that show up. Why do you think that posting links that use the word “faggy” is going to help you? Maybe you should stick to googling “fagified”. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/302 "2009-03-13T15:54:01Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > You know Gonzo, the rest of us have google too. We can google the word “faggy” and post the first five or ten links that show up. > > Why do you think that posting links that use the word “faggy” is going to help you? > > Maybe you should stick to googling “fagified”. Actually, I believe he googled ‘faggy decor’ and picked the ninth and eleventh links. But \*\*xtisme \*\*is right. He didn’t read or didn’t understand what he was posting. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/303 "2009-03-13T15:57:30Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Actually, I believe he googled ‘faggy decor’ and picked the ninth and eleventh links. But \*\*xtisme \*\*is right. He didn’t read or didn’t understand what he was posting. He should have picked the[first](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10932322)link, that might have helped his cause more. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/304 "2009-03-13T16:32:51Z")
If you went to a pro wrestlers home and he had a light chartreuse paint and all kinds of frilly decorations, you might think to yourself, kinda faggy. Would you be saying anything about his sexuality. No. Could you say that to another person and expect him to understand what you meant. Yes. We do have a visual picture of what a "faggy decor " means. Of course we do. The visualization is divorced from sexual overtones. It is simply a recognizable style. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/305 "2009-03-13T16:34:38Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > It’s between the nigger and kike sections, of course. Sheesh. Unlikely. As Chris Rock noted, every town has a mall where the fags and kikes go, and another where the fags and kikes _used_ to go. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/306 "2009-03-13T16:38:29Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you went to a pro wrestlers home and he had a light chartreuse paint and all kinds of frilly decorations, you might think to yourself, kinda faggy. Would you be saying anything about his sexuality. No. Yes, you would: if you said that, you’d be saying the decor was effeminate and made you think the wrestler was a little, you know, _soft_. > [@](#): > > Could you say that to another person and expect him to understand what you meant. Yes. Yes. And the other person would know you meant the decor looked like something you thought a gay person would choose. The other person would know this. In fact every other person would know this except you, **gonzomax**. > [@](#): > > We do have a visual picture of what a "faggy decor " means. Of course we do. You’ve picked a weird time to channel Bob Ross, you know that? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/307 "2009-03-13T16:40:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You’ve picked a weird time to channel Bob Ross, you know that? “Faggy trees…faggy trees…” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/308 "2009-03-13T16:44:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > “Faggy trees…faggy trees…” And wrestlers, too. Nothing in the world straighter than wrestling! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/309 "2009-03-13T16:50:52Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you went to a pro wrestlers home and he had a light chartreuse paint and all kinds of frilly decorations, you might think to yourself, kinda faggy. No, I wouldn’t, because I’m neither twelve years old nor an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/310 "2009-03-13T17:11:47Z")
And the fun just keeps on keeping on… [QUOTE=gonzomax] If you went to a pro wrestlers home and he had a light chartreuse paint and all kinds of frilly decorations, you might think to yourself, kinda faggy. [/QUOTE] Well…no. I probably would think ‘Man, I really hate this decor’ or ‘Cheezit…this place really sucks. And this dude is friggin RICH!’…something along those lines. But then I’m fairly tolerant of people and their taste. Now, if the place SMELLED bad…I may have a problem. > [@](#): > > Would you be saying anything about his sexuality. I assume you meant this as a question…which, normally, one would use the question mark key to indicate. It’s the one just to the left of your right hand shift key…for future reference. Assuming it was a question though, my answer is…of COURSE the person thinking to themselves ‘kinda faggy’ would be making a sexual assessment. Big strong heavily muscled wrestler (perhaps with copies of the 300 and Spartacus in their video collection) with effeminate decor…yeah, someone who is going to think ‘kinda faggy’ is most certainly doing so based on perceived sexual orientation. > [@](#): > > No. Yes. > [@](#): > > Could you say that to another person and expect him to understand what you meant. Why yes…I know EXACTLY what such a person would mean by such a comment. In fact, I know exactly what YOU mean when you say the poodles (or the wrestlers decor) is ‘kinda faggy’. > [@](#): > > Yes. Yes…with caveats. Those being that I certainly know…but you seem to clueless to understand. Hell, everyone else understands perfectly. > [@](#): > > We do have a visual picture of what a "faggy decor " means. Yup…it means that the person making the statement thinks the decor is something a flaming homosexual would use. Again, we all understand this…you are simply too clueless and stubborn to get it through the meter of bone you have sitting between your ears. > [@](#): > > The visualization is divorced from sexual overtones. No, it isn’t. It’s completely tied into the perceptions and attitudes of someone who is making said statement. Anyone who is thinking ‘kinda faggy’ when looking at a pro wrestlers decor in the context of it being effeminate is most definitely making a sexually queued determination. > [@](#): > > It is simply a recognizable style. Certainly. And one directly associated with perceived homosexual orientation. -XT ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/311 "2009-03-13T17:15:12Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you went to a pro wrestlers home and he had a light chartreuse paint and all kinds of frilly decorations, you might think to yourself, kinda faggy. Would you be saying anything about his sexuality. No. Could you say that to another person and expect him to understand what you meant. Yes. We do have a visual picture of what a "faggy decor " means. Of course we do. The visualization is divorced from sexual overtones. It is simply a recognizable style. What if instead of a pro wrestler, the home owner was a female librarian in her 50s. Would you still call it faggy? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/312 "2009-03-13T17:18:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And wrestlers, too. Nothing in the world straighter than wrestling! Try googling “gay+porn+wrestling”. But don’t do it at work. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/313 "2009-03-13T17:38:50Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Try googling “gay+porn+wrestling”. But don’t do it at work. No thank you. And I think he was being facetious. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/314 "2009-03-13T18:28:10Z")
1. The fact that you can find links to other people using “faggy” as a descriptive term doesn’t mean that the word isn’t offensive, it means that those people are. 2. That review of the Arlington Diner was written in 1998. In the 11 years since, casual homophobia has become less acceptable. 3. What **kidchameleon** said. 4. Next time you want to say that something is flamboyant and over-the-top, try any of several words from [this page.](http://www.synonyms.net/synonym/gaudy) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/315 "2009-03-13T18:34:09Z")
I vote for gimcrack. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/316 "2009-03-13T18:45:38Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > What if instead of a pro wrestler, the home owner was a female librarian in her 50s. Would you still call it faggy? Absolutely. I brought up a macho type to put it outside those who would be normally thought of as gay. Because it is not about gay. It is about a completely recognizable motif. You guys are feeding off yourselves. Group stupidity and dishonesty. I suggest you damn well what sort of decor fits into the subgroup of faggy. If you think it is about sexual orientation ,you have to evolve a little. It would have nothing to do with a librarian or a wrestler. Quit pretending you don’t know better. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/317 "2009-03-13T18:54:36Z")
You have raised missing the point to an art form. In fact, “missing the point” is an inadequate term, because it sounds so passive. You aggressively, actively miss the point - you put more energy into twisting, turning, and dodging the point than CERN puts into smashing particles together. If a Marine sniper had his sights trained on the point, the safest place in the world to be would be sitting in your brain, because it appears to be a violation of some fundamental physical law for the two to share a single point in space-time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/318 "2009-03-13T18:59:54Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Absolutely. I brought up a macho type to put it outside those who would be normally thought of as gay. Because it is not about gay. It is about a completely recognizable motif. > You guys are feeding off yourselves. Group stupidity and dishonesty. I suggest you damn well what sort of decor fits into the subgroup of faggy. If you think it is about sexual orientation ,you have to evolve a little. > It would have nothing to do with a librarian or a wrestler. Quit pretending you don’t know better. Of course I fucking know “what sort of decor” you call “faggy.” I also know that calling it “faggy” is offensive, and that there are lots of other words that the express the same idea more clearly and less offensively (see link above). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/319 "2009-03-13T19:05:21Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > You have raised missing the point to an art form. That’s why I’m still reading and posting here. There’s a Zen quality to this whole thing and I’m hoping I can attain enlightment though this total ridiculousness. [http://www.presidentialpetmuseum.com/Pets/Vicky.htm](http://www.presidentialpetmuseum.com/Pets/Vicky.htm) Poodles are faggy But not gay like wrestlers, or Mountain rain water. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/320 "2009-03-13T19:06:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Absolutely. I brought up a macho type to put it outside those who would be normally thought of as gay. Because it is not about gay. It is about a completely recognizable motif. Right. Because gay people are stereotyped as not being macho. And what word did you use to describe an effeminate decor? Faggy, which is a derogatory term for gay people. So when you describe something as faggy, you are saying, “This looks like something a stereotypical gay person would have.” > [@](#): > > You guys are feeding off yourselves. Group stupidity and dishonesty. Yes, everyone else who has posted to this - what, six page long? - thread is stupid and dishonest. And you’re the only one here who knows what’s _really_ going on! > [@](#): > > I suggest you damn well what sort of decor fits into the subgroup of faggy. If you think it is about sexual orientation ,you have to evolve a little. Oh, I do. It’s “stuff that looks like it was chosen by a fag.” There’s really no other way to define it that makes any sense, as has clearly been demonstrated by your own links. And there’s also no way to argue that “fag” is not massively derogatory to gays. Which leaves us with the inescapable conclusion that you are an asshole for using the term, and an idiot for thinking you can argue that it’s not offensive to gays. > [@](#): > > It would have nothing to do with a librarian or a wrestler. Quit pretending you don’t know better. So you’re saying that a fifty year old woman who decorated her home in this same style would also be “faggy?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=17)