# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/341 "2009-03-14T17:28:43Z")
Let me ask you something, and surprisingly, it’s not a classic Dope hypothetical, but someone I knew well: Suppose a 50-year-old man, from a typical Northeastern small city, never lived anywhere else and for all practical purposes never traveled except while in the Army in WWII. His hometown has a few black families, mostly poor but treated with respect, as no different from anyone else. But all his life the culture he grew up in referred to blacks as “niggers”, used the term “nigger-rigging” for repairs improvised with material on hand, as a stereotypical poor black family might do through not being able to afford proper repair materials (yeah, that’s condescending – but take it as a “everybody knows that’s how it is” stereotype, not a purposefully sneering one) – all that sort of thing. To him black men are “niggers” but he is not using it as insulting. What’s your reaction to him? What do you think the average man in the street’s reaction to him would be? Would they hear his usage as automatically insulting, or investigate and find it’s not intended as offensive? Why do you think that, whatever your answer is? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/342 "2009-03-14T17:33:59Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That is a fantastic amount of weaseling. If you truly believed what you’ve been insisting, your answer to **Miller** ’s question “So you’re saying that a fifty year old woman who decorated her home in this same style would also be “faggy?”” would be a simple, straight “Yes.” But it seems that even to you, “faggy” necessarily implies homosexuality, but you don’t want to admit it, so you have to dance around it in this horribly broken English to avoid saying yes or no. > > Follow closely? I don’t think anyone on Earth is capable of following your dumb ass closely. That was real stupid, and wrong. You are saying people who adorn in that style are gay. You and other gay haters. Not I. I have no problems with gays. I do not think of gays when decor is described as faggy. Because I don’t think like that ,I am not anti homosexual. You ,on the other hand ,see the word faggy and think gay. You are suffering from broken thinking and illogic. All you can say, is that is what you think . Not what I think. A simple straight ,yes i think gay with the word faggy will suffice. Then you can face what you are. But do not drag me into your old fashioned thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/343 "2009-03-14T17:44:13Z")
Wow. You’re really just one step away from calling me educated stupid. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/344 "2009-03-14T17:59:34Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That was real stupid, and wrong. You are saying people who adorn in that style are gay. You and other gay haters. Not I. I have no problems with gays. I do not think of gays when decor is described as faggy. Because I don’t think like that ,I am not anti homosexual. You ,on the other hand ,see the word faggy and think gay. You are suffering from broken thinking and illogic. All you can say, is that is what you think . Not what I think. A simple straight ,yes i think gay with the word faggy will suffice. Then you can face what you are. But do not drag me into your old fashioned thinking. Oh, sure! All of the gay people (myself included) who have been excoriating you over the use of that word are gay-haters! I see the light! It’s shining through your head from one ear to the other… ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/345 "2009-03-14T18:40:08Z")
In light of the attitudes expressed in this thread, I propose that from now on the term “gonzomaxxy” be used to refer to any word, or phrase which is used in a particular way by a poster despite the fact that no one else uses it that way, and who insists that his usage is correct in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is not. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/346 "2009-03-14T19:52:09Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > In light of the attitudes expressed in this thread, I propose that from now on the term “gonzomaxxy” be used to refer to any word, or phrase which is used in a particular way by a poster despite the fact that no one else uses it that way, and who insists that his usage is correct in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is not. No evidence. Opinion. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/347 "2009-03-14T20:03:14Z")
I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/348 "2009-03-14T20:20:26Z")
Gonzomax what is your plan with this thread? do you expect to wear people down with your ignorance till everyone believes faggy is an acceptable term to use? Somehow i don’t see that happening. At least in the content of this board people believe ‘faggy’ to be a offensive term we aren’t going to change our minds on that. Your the only person I’ve ever seen argue that ‘faggy’ is not offensive anywhere in my life. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/349 "2009-03-14T21:21:17Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > No evidence. Opinion. That is the way of language. The majority determines usage. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/350 "2009-03-15T01:12:55Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Oh, sure! All of the gay people (myself included) who have been excoriating you over the use of that word are gay-haters! I see the light! It’s shining through your head from one ear to the other… I believe the Straight Dope is the nexus for all the openly gay homophobes. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/351 "2009-03-15T01:35:03Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > I believe the Straight Dope is the nexus for all the openly gay homophobes. I just keep seeing Dave Chappelle’s Clayton Bigsby (the black white supremacist). ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/352 "2009-03-15T04:35:02Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > No evidence. Opinion. First, I’d like to nominate **gonzo** as one of the most willfully stupid people I’ve ever met. Secondly I’d invite him to tell every person he meets who is wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt that they’re dressing dykishly. I mean it’s just a style of dress totally divorced from any thought of sexual orientation. Thirdly, while everyone will go back to fighting and heatedly bickering with those they disagree with for political, religious, or whatever reason, it is nice to see that posters from the far right and the far left and every point in-between have a common ground in calling an idiot an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/353 "2009-03-15T05:54:34Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > First, I’d like to nominate **gonzo** as one of the most willfully stupid people I’ve ever met. Hey, you’ve not even met him in the truest sense of the word. But wouldn’t you like to? In a sort of Ripley’s Believe It or Not sort of way, it’d be interesting, don’t you think? It’s almost hard to believe he actually exists. Which makes me keep wondering if this isn’t just a put-on. Gonzo is like the Chupacabra of willful ignorance. He can’t possibly actually exist. It defies logic. And yet, it’s so incredibly intriguing and amusing and irritating all at the same time to watch the youtube videos (or read the thread). Thank you \*\*jayjay \*\*for this thread that will live on in my memory forever. Gonzo, you are a sad, sad man. If you really exist. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/354 "2009-03-15T06:04:29Z")
If you want to read more, his amazing inability to understand anything about [mortgages](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=500114&highlight=mortgage) was amusing. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/355 "2009-03-15T14:35:30Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > That is a fantastic amount of weaseling. If you truly believed what you’ve been insisting, your answer to **Miller** ’s question “So you’re saying that a fifty year old woman who decorated her home in this same style would also be “faggy?”” would be a simple, straight “Yes.” But it seems that even to you, “faggy” necessarily implies homosexuality, but you don’t want to admit it, so you have to dance around it in this horribly broken English to avoid saying yes or no. > > Follow closely? I don’t think anyone on Earth is capable of following your dumb ass closely. You really having that much trouble understanding? Have your kid read it to you. What is clear is I am saying whoever has a house decorated in a faggy style, reveals absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation, They just like colors and style that are similar and fall under a clearly understood pattern. They do not tell you a thing about them on a personal level. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/356 "2009-03-15T14:52:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You really having that much trouble understanding? Have your kid read it to you. What is clear is I am saying whoever has a house decorated in a faggy style, reveals absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation, They just like colors and style that are similar and fall under a clearly understood pattern. They do not tell you a thing about them on a personal level. Colors and style that are similar to what? And please define this “clearly understood pattern” for those of us who don’t know what it is (because it’s not “clearly understood” to me). I’m not even going to try to address your continued use of the term “faggy” to describe it, because you clearly are incapable of understanding that the word “faggy” is insulting, regardless of the context in which it is being used. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/357 "2009-03-15T16:59:03Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You really having that much trouble understanding? Have your kid read it to you. What is clear is I am saying whoever has a house decorated in a faggy style, reveals absolutely nothing about their sexual orientation, They just like colors and style that are similar and fall under a clearly understood pattern. They do not tell you a thing about them on a personal level. So would a home with frilly decorations and chartreuse paint that’s owned by a 50 year old woman still be considered faggy? Yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/358 "2009-03-15T23:00:29Z")
What did your heroine Anne Coulter mean when she called Edwards faggy.?She did so twice. Was she implying a married man with kids is gay/ Was she implying a guy that had an affair with a woman was gay? C’mon get in this century. It has evolved out of that narrow definition long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Daffyd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daffyd/32/8923_2.png) [@Daffyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daffyd)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/359 "2009-03-15T23:06:36Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What did your heroine Anne Coulter mean when she called Edwards faggy.?She did so twice. Was she implying a married man with kids is gay/ Was she implying a guy that had an affair with a woman was gay? C’mon get in this century. It has evolved out of that narrow definition long ago. When I’m trying to find the proper usage of the word Faggy, I go directly to Anne Coulter… Because God knows she’s just so pro-Gay. Your feeble defense gets more and more ludicrous - bordering on the laughable if it wasn’t for homophobes using the word faggy that encourage attacks on Gays. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/360 "2009-03-15T23:21:03Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] What did your heroine Anne Coulter mean when she called Edwards faggy.?She did so twice. Was she implying a married man with kids is gay/ Was she implying a guy that had an affair with a woman was gay? C’mon get in this century. It has evolved out of that narrow definition long ago. [/QUOTE] Anne Coulter!!! Seriously?? You are using her as some kind of meter stick?? Just so you know, if she called Edwards ‘faggy’ she did NOT mean it as a compliment…quite the opposite. This thread just get’s more and more bizarre…and you just keep getting yourself in deeper and deeper. You are around the level of the proverbial whale shit now…though of course, whale shit has more intelligence than you have managed to demonstrate in this thread. My guess is that you have managed in this one thread to completely discredit yourself with anyone left on this board who even had an inkling of sympathy for you prior to this. Not that anyone ever took you even remotely seriously…but I figure that, as with any pathetic soul, some at least found you worthy of sympathy or at least pity. I highly doubt that even those brave souls however are still feeling inclined to such an attitude by this point. Someone who is as militantly stupid as you goes beyond the event horizon of pity and into whole new universes of contempt…because you FLAUNT how staggeringly stupid you are. At a guess there probably aren’t many 'dopers left who would piss on your back because you were too stupid to know you were on fire (you’d probably argue with them that in fact you WEREN’T on fire, or that their definition of fire was obviously wrong). -XT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=19)