# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Daffyd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daffyd/32/8923_2.png) [@Daffyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daffyd)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/61 "2009-03-03T05:06:45Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Informally, among other gays, gays call each other faggots all the time with little if any opprobrium. Are they especially and proprietarily empowered to use the word “faggot” without social censure like blacks are “allowed” to use the word “nigger” amongst themselves? > > Gays call each other faggots = OK > Blacks call each other nigger = OK > > …but no one else is allowed in the linguistic tree house. Straights and whites stay out! I don’t know what planet you’re on, but nobody Gay has **ever** called me a faggot. All the time? Bull. There are Gay people who use the term Queer, but that’s just as offensive… 1970 called… It wants its stereotypical self-hating _Boys in the Band_ cast members back… Oh, and to the person who asked about using Gay and not meaning anything insulting by it - just stop using it. It’s offensive. Period. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/62 "2009-03-03T05:15:14Z")
An hour ago I had my lips around a fag. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/63 "2009-03-03T05:25:39Z")
> [@Daffyd](#): > > I don’t know what planet you’re on, but nobody Gay has **ever** called me a faggot. All the time? Bull. > > There are Gay people who use the term Queer, but that’s just as offensive… > > 1970 called… It wants its stereotypical self-hating _Boys in the Band_ cast members back… > > Oh, and to the person who asked about using Gay and not meaning anything insulting by it - just stop using it. It’s offensive. Period. [Oh really](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/archives/2008/09/new_bravo_reali.php)? [That’s](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2007/12/friends_bid_far.php) quite interesting, -some might think it’s almost become a term of rough endearment [within some circles](http://www.villagevoice.com/2006-06-20/columns/ny-mirror). > [@](#): > > [New Bravo Reality Show About Fag Hags!](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/archives/2008/09/new_bravo_reali.php) > [@](#): > > [Friends Bid Farewell to Bob Kohler, ‘A Grand Old Fag’](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2007/12/friends_bid_far.php) > [@](#): > > [Come showtime, Sandra glanced around the cultural center](http://www.villagevoice.com/2006-06-20/columns/ny-mirror)and told the crowd that she was once refused admission to an opera school. (“They called me ‘nigger lips’ and said I was a skinny, ugly bitch!”) And PEPPERMINT GUMMIBEAR—the Best Drag Queen winner—did a peppy dance number, complete with spinning male backups, that was gleefully Britney-esque except for the large tucked penis. But the biggest balls belonged to HEDDA LETTUCE, who, when asked to stretch, addressed KEVIN AVIANCE’s gay bashing, but not in the chest-thumping manner expected. “Kevin gave a speech at the anti-violence rally,” deadpanned Hedda, “and he said [unintelligible mumble].” Pause. “His jaw was wired!” The crowd of queens and other slumming royalty started to boo. “Shut up,” said Hedda. “I’m stretching, you stupid faggots!” That prompted co-host Kiki ( JUSTIN BOND) to lift her cocktail glass from the sidelines and murmur, “Hedda, I just want to thank you for making Herb and I look so classy.” ---
**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/64 "2009-03-03T05:27:28Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > An hour ago I had my lips around a fag. You promised you wouldn’t tell! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/65 "2009-03-03T05:29:52Z")
This thread is definitely amusing, if nothing else. Me? I’m militantly unsurprised that gonzo is this clueless AND stupid. My surprise is that the OP actually thought so highly of gonzo as to be disappointed in him and his obviously cluelessness. I’m also unsurprised that gonzo seems truly perplexed by all this. The guy is barely literate after all and has the IQ of something approximately equal to pocket lint…if he wasn’t so abrasive and belligerent I’d almost feel sorry for him and see about getting him a poodle of his own… -XT ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/66 "2009-03-03T05:31:56Z")
See, I don’t understand this attitude. Do you feel that you’re missing out on something because you can’t call a gay man a fag or faggot? Do you feel you’re missing out on something because you can’t call a black man a nigger? I don’t use “fag” myself…it feels “icky” to do so. But the fact that some gay men do call each other fags in various usages…is this taking something away from you? Yes. Yes, it is not proper for a straight man to use the word, even if gay men do. That’s the nature of the word. Deal with it. And “in some circles” is not universal. There are as many gay subcultures as there are straight subcultures, possibly more. Every major city has at least one based on location alone. Every little subgroup, sexual kink, body type attraction, performance preference and sometimes race has their own. Some use “fag” or “faggot”. Some don’t. Neither type is subject to your judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/67 "2009-03-03T05:32:17Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > The guy is barely literate after all and has the IQ of something approximately equal to pocket lint.. > -XT That’s an insult to pocket lint. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/68 "2009-03-03T05:34:26Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > This thread is definitely amusing, if nothing else. Me? I’m militantly unsurprised that gonzo is this clueless AND stupid. My surprise is that the OP actually thought so highly of gonzo as to be disappointed in him and his obviously cluelessness. > > I’m also unsurprised that gonzo seems truly perplexed by all this. The guy is barely literate after all and has the IQ of something approximately equal to pocket lint…if he wasn’t so abrasive and belligerent I’d almost feel sorry for him and see about getting him a poodle of his own… > > -XT Okay, okay! I probably shouldn’t have been surprised. I think my message-board (purely platonic!) affection for **LOUNE** spilled over to **gonzomax** and I’ve never re-evaluated that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/69 "2009-03-03T05:35:55Z")
> [@seodoa](#): > > You promised you wouldn’t tell! Whats your problem If I had a 4700 mile dick, I’d be bragging to the world ! ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/70 "2009-03-03T05:38:58Z")
If you dealt with young adults, you would hear gay and faggy used a lot. It has evolved into a non sexual term which means odd, or out of step. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/71 "2009-03-03T05:40:53Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you dealt with young adults, you would hear gay and faggy used a lot. It has evolved into a non sexual term which means odd, or out of step. You really are retarded if you can’t see how that is an insult to perceived homosexual behavior/appearance/etc ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/72 "2009-03-03T05:41:19Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Okay, okay! I probably shouldn’t have been surprised. I think my message-board (purely platonic!) affection for LOUNE spilled over to gonzomax and I’ve never re-evaluated that. [/QUOTE] LOUNE is actually quite engaging, especially in some of the other forums. Der Trihs is engaging in just about any forum except GD (and even there sometimes, depending on the topic). Both of them can at least write a coherent sentence. gonzo however is just pathetic. I actually feel sorry for him occasionally…like in the Nuclear debate when just about everyone ignores his drive by links (he still hasn’t figured out how to insert a link with a description instead of the URL, and still hasn’t figured out how to cut and paste quotes from his drive by links yet…but given another few years I’m sure it will come to him). [QUOTE=Xan] That’s an insult to pocket lint. [/QUOTE] Well, I did give myself some wiggle room there by saying his intelligence is ‘approximately equal to pocket lint’. Also, fortunately, defenders of pocket lint don’t seem to be in profusion either here on the SD or in the general population, so I figured I’d be able to get away with such an insult just this once… -XT ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/73 "2009-03-03T05:41:32Z")
[Gay - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay) It has a non sexual definition which means,weird, out of step or just plain stupid. Lots of younger people use gay in that way. ---
**Author:** ![seodoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@seodoa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seodoa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/74 "2009-03-03T05:43:10Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Whats your problem If I had a 4700 mile dick, I’d be bragging to the world ! It’s so difficult shopping for pants. ☹ Had to resist using “hard” there. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/75 "2009-03-03T05:46:07Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > You really are retarded if you can’t see how that is an insult to perceived homosexual behavior/appearance/etc You would be a complete idiot to not be able to see the rest of the story. Gay has evolved into a completely different connotation. What are you XTs lap dog? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/76 "2009-03-03T05:48:38Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] If you dealt with young adults, you would hear gay and faggy used a lot. It has evolved into a non sexual term which means odd, or out of step. [/QUOTE] Yeah, that will help you redeem your image. 😛 > [@](#): > > It has a non sexual definition which means,weird, out of step or just plain stupid. Lots of younger people use gay in that way. You do realize that we all can read what’s in the link, right? I know, I know…you don’t actually expect anyone to click on your drive by links…but just this once I figured, what the hell. > [@](#): > > The term gay (ɡeɪ) was originally used, until well into the mid-20th century, primarily to refer to feelings of being “carefree,” “happy,” or “bright and showy”; it had also come to acquire some connotations of “immorality” as early as 1637[1]. > > The term then began to be used in reference to homosexuality, in particular, from the early 20th century, a usage that may have dated prior to the 19th century.[1] In modern English, gay has come to be used as an adjective, and occasionally as a noun, that refers to the people, practices, and culture associated with homosexuality. By the end of the 20th century the word gay was recommended by major style guides to describe people attracted to members of the same sex.[2][3] At about the same time, a new, pejorative use was visible in some parts of the world. In the UK, US and Australia, this connotation, among younger generations of speakers had a non-sexual derisive meaning equivalent to rubbish or stupid (as in “That’s so gay.”).[4][5] You didn’t actually use the word ‘gay’ though…and you certainly didn’t seem to mean it in a non-derisive manner that didn’t have connotations of homo-sexuality. Looking up the term you DID use on Wiki, we see that [faggot](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)) (Note…this is how you link to a web site and actually use a descriptive term instead of a URL): > [@](#): > > Faggot or fag, in modern North American and Australian English is a word, and always[citation needed] a highly pejorative term, for a gay or effeminate man. Its use has spread to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world. > > The terms are used less in this sense in British English, where “faggot” traditionally means a bundle of sticks and faggots are a kind of meatball, while “fag” is common slang for a cigarette or for hard work; in some public schools, fagging was the name given to the practice where a younger boy (a “fag”) acted as an unpaid servant for an older boy. Unless you meant the dogs looked like either a cigarette or a bundle of sticks of course… ETA: Just to recap, here is what you ACTUALLY said: > [@](#): > > I hate the faggy poodle haircuts. What would a poodle look like if it wasn’t fagafied by its owner? Whats wrong with a level trim.? When and why did the ugly haircuts start? > A poodle won at Detroit Dog show this weekend. Wouldn’t get my vote. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/77 "2009-03-03T05:48:44Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You would be a complete idiot to not be able to see the rest of the story. Gay has evolved into a completely different connotation. > What are you XTs lap dog? Better a lap dog than pocket lint. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/78 "2009-03-03T05:57:35Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Teenage Mutant Ninja Poodle is totally rad! On the contrary, if there is justice in the world that dog will have the opportunity to eat its owner. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/79 "2009-03-03T06:09:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Gay - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay) It has a non sexual definition which means,weird, out of step or just plain stupid. Lots of younger people use gay in that way. As noted in your link, it’s still a pejorative. It’s meant to be insulting. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/80 "2009-03-03T06:49:27Z")
> [@zut](#): > > Indeed. Particularly in this case, where the reliably left wing poster has reliably and embarassingly imbecilic reasons for arriving at his views. Right. He’s the left wing **Starving Artist**. I always cringe at his attempts to argue the liberal side of any debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=5)