# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/81 "2009-03-03T08:01:06Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > I grew up in the go-go 80s and 90s, where the proper slang for something lame or stupid was “gay”. I have no anti-homosexual feelings, and I completely understand how that would be construed as insulting to gay people. > > But I just can’t stop using it. I use the word “gay” all the time. This is gay, that’s gay, etc., etc. Strangely, I never use it to refer to people (even when they’re lame or stupid) and never use it to describe behavior that would be homosexual… Hey now. I grew up in the go-go 80s and 90s too and very few of my friends used “gay” to mean something stupid or lame. Don’t lump the rest of us in with the jackasses you hung out with. And you can’t stop? Really? Are you two years old and just discovered how fun picking your nose is? Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/82 "2009-03-03T12:56:42Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > This thread is definitely amusing, if nothing else. Me? I’m militantly unsurprised that gonzo is this clueless AND stupid. My surprise is that the OP actually thought so highly of gonzo as to be disappointed in him and his obviously cluelessness. > > I’m also unsurprised that gonzo seems truly perplexed by all this. The guy is barely literate after all and has the IQ of something approximately equal to pocket lint…if he wasn’t so abrasive and belligerent I’d almost feel sorry for him and see about getting him a poodle of his own… > > -XT I am surprised you tossed in your one cents worth. But, we have had a few debates in the last year or so, and in each case events proved you were wrong. I would have thought that would slow you down, but I guessed wrongly. This does suit you though. You can skip intelligent debate and go right into your forte, childish insults. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/83 "2009-03-03T13:07:41Z")
**gonzomax** , trust me when I tell you that you are not doing yourself a service picking up vocabulary from middle-schoolers. The middle-school definition of “gay” did not come into existence out of the blue. They’re comparing something they think is stupid or lame with gay men. There is a connection, and it’s a pejorative one. That aside, you took it a whole other step up the ladder. “Gay” in that context is annoying. “Faggy” is another world completely. That’s like if the trend was to say “black” for stupid or lame. What you did is equivalent to saying that something is “nigger” instead. It’s over-the-top and it’s hurtful. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/84 "2009-03-03T13:26:04Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Um, what? “Prissy.” Gone with the Wind’s total black stereotype character. I don’t know nothing bout birthing no babies. ---
**Author:** ![Daffyd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daffyd/32/8923_2.png) [@Daffyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daffyd)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/85 "2009-03-03T13:27:23Z")
> [@astro](#): > > [Oh really](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/archives/2008/09/new_bravo_reali.php)? [That’s](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2007/12/friends_bid_far.php) quite interesting, -some might think it’s almost become a term of rough endearment [within some circles](http://www.villagevoice.com/2006-06-20/columns/ny-mirror). Interesting… First, I never said some Gay people don’t use the term “fag”… I was talking about faggot… And interesting that your quote about a drag queen yelling at people to “Shut up, you stupid faggots”, is supposedly some kind of “term of endearment” to you… ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/86 "2009-03-03T13:30:22Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > **gonzomax** , trust me when I tell you that you are not doing yourself a service picking up vocabulary from middle-schoolers. I don’t know. At least he has people to look up to intellectually. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/87 "2009-03-03T13:31:11Z")
There is something called the “insider/outsider” rule. I hear black people use the N-word often. I would never use it. Similarly, I often say “Hey, girl” when talking to a woman. But I tell men who call me a “girl” that it is not right. Very few words cannot be used by insiders. No one and I mean no one better use the C-word around me. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/88 "2009-03-03T13:52:28Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Right. He’s the left wing **Starving Artist**. I always cringe at his attempts to argue the liberal side of any debate. Oh my gosh, I have to defend Starving Artist - the world is about to end. I’ll admit that I’m easily annoyed by SA - but that’s mostly because I’m easily annoyed by most right-wing arguments. But when pressed, I think I can count on him to slow down and really chug through a solid defense of an argument. gonzomax is completely incapable of this. Here’s what gonzomax does (and is doing) - he’ll say something completely wrong, get called on it. He’ll come up with an exception that he thinks proves the rule, get called on it. He’ll come up with another example that he thinks supports his argument, he’ll get called on it. He’ll then try to steer the argument in another direction (usually with another impressively dumb comment), and get taken to task again. He is not going to take this discussion seriously. You will not impress upon him any new insight into how his comment was derrogatory or insulting. He will continue to behave like an idiot, but never intentionally jerky enough to get banned. We will all slowly be driven insane. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/89 "2009-03-03T14:10:40Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > “Prissy.” Gone with the Wind’s total black stereotype character. > > I don’t know nothing bout birthing no babies. You don’t know nothing bout how to use Google neither. Prissy can be traced back to 1895 as a shortening of “prim sissy” Cite: [PRISSY Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prissy) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/90 "2009-03-03T14:16:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you dealt with young adults, you would hear gay and faggy used a lot. If you dealt with people in certain parts of Idaho you’d hear “Send all the niggers back to Africa” and “Kill all the kikes” used a lot. Doesn’t make it right. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/91 "2009-03-03T14:25:35Z")
Maybe it’s ‘a flamboyance of drag queens’ like it’s ‘a gaggle of geese’? **Daffyd** , I know this is a total hijack, but you find the term ‘queer’ offensive? Only when applied to you or in general? ---
**Author:** ![Daffyd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daffyd/32/8923_2.png) [@Daffyd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daffyd)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/92 "2009-03-03T14:30:46Z")
> [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](#): > > **Daffyd** , I know this is a total hijack, but you find the term ‘queer’ offensive? Only when applied to you or in general? Being an “elder statesman” of Gay life (i.e. - over 40!), the only time I heard Queer used was as an attack… I understand how it is being used politically, but it still hurts every time I hear it… ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/93 "2009-03-03T14:33:23Z")
Louis CK explains it all here [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U-otAJrtY-w/hqdefault.jpg "Louis CK - Faggot") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-otAJrtY-w) I hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/94 "2009-03-03T15:01:22Z")
> [@Daffyd](#): > > Being an “elder statesman” of Gay life (i.e. - over 40!), the only time I heard Queer used was as an attack… I understand how it is being used politically, but it still hurts every time I hear it… Interesting. In the circles I run in, it’s almost the more-PC term - it’s more inclusive without requiring strict categorization. ---
**Author:** ![Lama\_Pacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Lama\_Pacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lama_Pacos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/95 "2009-03-03T15:28:17Z")
Isn’t gonzomax also the father of someone else on the board or something? That’s just fucking embarassing. No wonder the other guy doesn’t stick around anymore. I guess they didn’t teach punctuation back in 1896 or whenever it is that gonzomax claims to have been born in. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/96 "2009-03-03T15:35:00Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I don’t know. At least he has people to look up to intellectually. That is an intellectual response. That was shamefully weak and terribly childish. We have so many on this board who confuse debate and insults. Like XT who brings to debate what Don Rickles brings to comedy. It appeals to the immature. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/97 "2009-03-03T15:38:30Z")
> [@Daffyd](#): > > Interesting… First, I never said some Gay people don’t use the term “fag”… I was talking about faggot… > > And interesting that your quote about a drag queen yelling at people to “Shut up, you stupid faggots”, is supposedly some kind of “term of endearment” to you… Are you saying there is some meaningful distinction between “fag” and “faggot”? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/98 "2009-03-03T15:38:34Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > We have so many on this board who confuse debate and insults. Says the man who uses “faggy” in a thread title… ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/99 "2009-03-03T15:50:06Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Here’s what gonzomax does (and is doing) - he’ll say something completely wrong, get called on it. He’ll come up with an exception that he thinks proves the rule, get called on it. He’ll come up with another example that he thinks supports his argument, he’ll get called on it. He’ll then try to steer the argument in another direction (usually with another impressively dumb comment), and get taken to task again. > > He is not going to take this discussion seriously. You will not impress upon him any new insight into how his comment was derrogatory or insulting. He will continue to behave like an idiot, but never intentionally jerky enough to get banned. We will all slowly be driven insane. [Gonzo pits interest rate calculation, calls out the “sheeple” who defend evil capitalist mathematics.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=500114) Yep, gonzo v. math. It’s a TLDR thread, but spot-checking some posts at the end could be informative. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/100 "2009-03-03T15:54:00Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > That is an intellectual response. That was shamefully weak and terribly childish. We have so many on this board who confuse debate and insults. Like XT who brings to debate what Don Rickles brings to comedy. It appeals to the immature. You just step on your own dick with every single post you make, don’t you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=6)