# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/121 "2009-03-04T03:22:49Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Grow up. Little chance of that happening. [/QUOTE] Well, as small as the chance is of me growing up (VANISHINGLY small chance of that as my wife could tell you), there is more of a chance there than of you somehow becoming a thoughtful and coherent poster… -XT ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/122 "2009-03-04T03:23:35Z")
> [@wring](#): > > remember the PBB thing, where bad stuff got mixed in with Cattlefeed? It explains quite a bit about Michiganders IMHO. Hey fuck you with a rooto-rooter pal. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/123 "2009-03-04T07:56:04Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Some people here are worth debating. Some are worth the time it takes to come up with coherent arguments designed to change minds and clarify issues. Some are capable of engaging in an interesting discussion. Others are here mainly as chew toys. Yeah. Why does anyone engage with gonzomax? Complete waste of time. > [@Munch](#): > > Oh my gosh, I have to defend Starving Artist - the world is about to end. I’ll admit that I’m easily annoyed by SA - but that’s mostly because I’m easily annoyed by most right-wing arguments. But when pressed, I think I can count on him to slow down and really chug through a solid defense of an argument. gonzomax is completely incapable of this. Starving Artist? Solid defense of an argument? Are we talking about the same person? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/124 "2009-03-04T14:17:44Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Starving Artist? Solid defense of an argument? Are we talking about the same person? Relative to gonzomax? Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/125 "2009-03-04T15:26:37Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > Assuming you’re not just whoosing: > > That’s just short for Priscilla. It’s NOT the origin of, nor related to, the adjective, _prissy_, which predates the film by at least a few decades: It was very, very clearly a joke. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/126 "2009-03-04T15:59:49Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Hey fuck you with a rooto-rooter pal. ?? It. was. a. joke. Clue # 1 I’m from Michigan, too. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/127 "2009-03-04T16:02:39Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, as small as the chance is of me growing up (VANISHINGLY small chance of that as my wife could tell you), there is more of a chance there than of you somehow becoming a thoughtful and coherent poster… > > -XT To be fair, those two sentences of gonzo’s were coherent. As for thoughtful, hey one step at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/128 "2009-03-04T16:03:00Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Starving Artist? Solid defense of an argument? Are we talking about the same person? I think the standard for _solid_ here is just, “takes more effort to debunk than clicking his link and finding out it’s totally unrelated/contradicts him/porn”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/129 "2009-03-04T16:31:32Z")
This forum is the one that allows posters to reveal themselves. Petty snipping and childish remarks are allowed here. The little children taking pot shots are throwing light on who they are. It is petty . Do you kiddies thinking more highly of yourselves after such ignorant remarks? I feel sorry for you. I quit crap like that when I was a teen. People who revel in this stuff are so small. Little tiny people. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/130 "2009-03-04T16:35:32Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > This forum is the one that allows posters to reveal themselves. Petty snipping and childish remarks are allowed here. The little children taking pot shots are throwing light on who they are. It is petty . Do you kiddies thinking more highly of yourselves after such ignorant remarks? I feel sorry for you. I quit crap like that when I was a teen. People who revel in this stuff are so small. Little tiny people. God, that’s so faggy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/131 "2009-03-04T16:38:41Z")
**gonzomax** , you and I disagree pretty frequently (at least about sports), but leaving that aside- do you have any idea why people are upset at what you wrote? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/132 "2009-03-04T16:40:25Z")
Because they’re fags? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/133 "2009-03-04T16:44:33Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Because they’re fags? Okay, all else being equal, that IS why the OP (me) is upset. 🙂 Very succint, **Cervaise**! ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/134 "2009-03-04T16:44:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Okay, yes, he’s occasionally incoherent and doesn’t always manage to connect two sentences together to come up with an argument, but I’m just shocked that he somehow doesn’t recognize the offensiveness of the word “fag”, to the point where he bends it into a verb, even. How does one miss that? Thank you for seeing the difference. I can be incoherent with my posts at times, (even though I guarantee I spend more time trying to make them ‘readable’ than most posters here spend), but that doesn’t make me ignorant on all fronts. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/135 "2009-03-04T16:46:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **gonzomax** , you and I disagree pretty frequently (at least about sports), but leaving that aside- do you have any idea why people are upset at what you wrote? I honestly don’t think he does. And I despair at making him understand. The fact that he, the man who chooses his vocabulary based on what middle-schoolers are saying, just posted a paragraph calling everyone criticizing him childish, pretty much demonstrates that his narcissism filter is drowning everyone else out. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/136 "2009-03-04T16:49:50Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] This forum is the one that allows posters to reveal themselves. Petty snipping and childish remarks are allowed here. The little children taking pot shots are throwing light on who they are. It is petty . Do you kiddies thinking more highly of yourselves after such ignorant remarks? I feel sorry for you. I quit crap like that when I was a teen. People who revel in this stuff are so small. Little tiny people. [/QUOTE] And yet you admit to using a derogatory term because it’s in vogue with young people…and you aren’t grown up enough to simply admit you said something stupid and apologize for it. As for the rest…it’s too bad you didn’t quit tossing around potentially hurtful remarks such as those displayed by the OP when you ‘quit crap like that when’ you were a teen. Teens say hurtful and derogatory things because they are full of hormones and are pretty stupid and clueless…adults (which presumably you are) should know better. Unless they are simply incapable of learning, as you have repeatedly shown yourself to be. On the point of feeling sorry for me and/or the rest of the board, my feeling is you should save that for yourself. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/137 "2009-03-04T17:24:22Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > It was very, very clearly a joke. And I very, very clearly allowed for that possibility. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/138 "2009-03-04T17:39:40Z")
If you look at the dogs . Then see the term I used. You would see where the connection is. It says absolutely nothing about gays. But since the dog hair treatment can be described in those terms, it makes it clear that there is an understanding that a segment of the gays has an identifiable style . Some non gays also like the style. TV shows are built around this concept of style that gays are identified with. Non gays are taught style and dress from gays. That would imply that there is a clearly identifiable “gay style”. I see the dogs cuts as belonging to that subset of the gay culture. I have zero prejudice toward gays. People are people. Sexual orientation is nobodies business. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/139 "2009-03-04T17:47:21Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you look at the dogs . Then see the term I used. You would see where the connection is. Everybody understands the connection: you said the dog haircuts look effeminate and silly and described that as “faggy.” It’s also not hard to understand why gay posters object to being associated with that, however. > [@](#): > > I see the dogs cuts as belonging to that subset of the gay culture. I have no idea if the owners of the dogs in those pictures were gay or straight. You apparently felt you did, and further, you didn’t say gay, you used a term regarded as offensive. > [@](#): > > I have zero prejudice toward gays. People are people. Your choice of words and the stereotype you showed says different. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/140 "2009-03-04T17:52:09Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If you look at the dogs . Then see the term I used. You would see where the connection is. It says absolutely nothing about gays. But since the dog hair treatment can be described in those terms, it makes it clear that there is an understanding that a segment of the gays has an identifiable style . Some non gays also like the style. TV shows are built around this concept of style that gays are identified with. Non gays are taught style and dress from gays. That would imply that there is a clearly identifiable “gay style”. I see the dogs cuts as belonging to that subset of the gay culture. > I have zero prejudice toward gays. People are people. Sexual orientation is nobodies business. It’s. The. Words. There may be a clearly identifiable “gay style” (though that’s a hill I refuse to die on in this thread). But to use the words “faggy” and “fagified” to describe it denotes an entire universe of complete non-understanding of what it is to be gay in our society. I’ve connected those words with the equivalent words about other groups multiple times in this thread. And you’ve shrugged that equivalence off. You don’t get to do that. Sorry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=8)