# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/141 "2009-03-04T17:52:17Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I have zero prejudice toward gays. People are people. Sexual orientation is nobodies business. Except when they’re faggy, right? Yes, I will keep harping. If coherent discussion can’t penetrate that thick skull, maybe repetition will. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/142 "2009-03-04T18:07:02Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] If you look at the dogs . Then see the term I used. You would see where the connection is. It says absolutely nothing about gays. But since the dog hair treatment can be described in those terms, it makes it clear that there is an understanding that a segment of the gays has an identifiable style . Some non gays also like the style. TV shows are built around this concept of style that gays are identified with. Non gays are taught style and dress from gays. That would imply that there is a clearly identifiable “gay style”. I see the dogs cuts as belonging to that subset of the gay culture. [/QUOTE] Had you said the dogs looked ‘stupid’ or ‘ridiculous’ then no one would have cared. If there had been a black dog and some said it looked like a niger (niggery?) then would you understand the why folks are taking exception to your comment? How about if the dog looked Jewish and someone said it liked like a kike (kikey)? Would you understand then? Honestly, you can’t be THIS stupid. The term you used is derogatory and insulting…and frankly it also shows how ignorant you are that you used it. At a guess most of the folks who made their dogs look so friggin stupid were probably straight, not gay…and most gays I know aren’t flamboyant like that at all…while I know a number of straight ones who are. People are people regardless of their sexual orientation. If you were smart (or even had two brain cells to rub together) you’d apologize for saying what you did and make a mental note (you might want to get a rather large Post-It and staple it to your forehead) not to do so again. Then you’d let this thread die. Of course, if you DID have two braincells you’d have done this already and the thread would be over. I predict however that even speculating that you DO have two braincells, they aren’t in close proximity to each other, so no rubbage is possible…Q.E.D. you are going to drag this out for another 23 and a half pages of lame excuses and assertions of childishness on the part of anyone who is busting your chops. C’est la vie… -XT ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/143 "2009-03-04T19:10:54Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I have zero prejudice toward gays. People are people. Sexual orientation is nobodies business. Wow, you’re not coming off that way. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/144 "2009-03-04T19:26:59Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > And I very, very clearly allowed for that possibility. I never said otherwise. I was just clarifying what seemed to be a confusing post for you. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/145 "2009-03-04T19:32:35Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Had you said the dogs looked ‘stupid’ or ‘ridiculous’ then no one would have cared. If there had been a black dog and some said it looked like a niger (niggery?) then would you understand the why folks are taking exception to your comment? How about if the dog looked Jewish and someone said it liked like a kike (kikey)? Would you understand then? > > Honestly, you can’t be THIS stupid. The term you used is derogatory and insulting…and frankly it also shows how ignorant you are that you used it. At a guess most of the folks who made their dogs look so friggin stupid were probably straight, not gay…and most gays I know aren’t flamboyant like that at all…while I know a number of straight ones who are. People are people regardless of their sexual orientation. > > If you were smart (or even had two brain cells to rub together) you’d apologize for saying what you did and make a mental note (you might want to get a rather large Post-It and staple it to your forehead) not to do so again. Then you’d let this thread die. Of course, if you DID have two braincells you’d have done this already and the thread would be over. I predict however that even speculating that you DO have two braincells, they aren’t in close proximity to each other, so no rubbage is possible…Q.E.D. you are going to drag this out for another 23 and a half pages of lame excuses and assertions of childishness on the part of anyone who is busting your chops. C’est la vie… > > -XT What keeps you prattling about this? If I said the dogs looked stupid that would be wrong. The dogs may be very bright, that is the reputation poodles have. Stupid would be a misuse and provide no information. Thanks for the childish insults. You are what you are. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/146 "2009-03-04T19:39:12Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What keeps you prattling about this? > If I said the dogs looked stupid that would be wrong. The dogs may be very bright, that is the reputation poodles have. Stupid would be a misuse and provide no information. Thanks for the childish insults. You are what you are. Yeah, they don’t look stupid, just faggy. Seriously, I’m beginning to suspect you’re either having a laugh or you don’t speak English as your native language and you’re too dumb to tell us that. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/147 "2009-03-04T19:39:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What keeps you prattling about this? > If I said the dogs looked stupid that would be wrong. The dogs may be very bright, that is the reputation poodles have. Stupid would be a misuse and provide no information. Thanks for the childish insults. You are what you are. Because you have delivered a personal insult to a group of people, and eveidently haven’t the vaguest clue why it might have upset them. You are capalbe of examining your own words to see where you might have offended, are you not? If so, see if you can figure it out. Others have tried to explain, and it’s seemingly whooshed past you like a flight of Canada geese. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/148 "2009-03-04T19:40:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What keeps you prattling about this? > If I said the dogs looked stupid that would be wrong. The dogs may be very bright, that is the reputation poodles have. Stupid would be a misuse and provide no information. Thanks for the childish insults. You are what you are. Right. And by choosing the word you did, we are provided with the following information: that you are a juvenile homophobe. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/149 "2009-03-04T19:52:54Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] What keeps you prattling about this? [/QUOTE] Frankly because it’s amusing to see you dig yourself deeper with every post. Also, I’m genuinely curious how many pages of your lame ass excuses and stupidity this thread will run. > [@](#): > > If I said the dogs looked stupid that would be wrong. The dogs may be very bright, that is the reputation poodles have. Stupid would be a misuse and provide no information. Thanks for the childish insults. You are what you are. So you say they look ‘faggy’ instead, because this conveys information (they look like ‘fags’, i.e. they look like your conception of homosexuals) and is not a ‘misuse’. Is it then your contention that the dogs are homosexuals, or that their owners are? Because otherwise I’d have to say your use of the term would also be ‘wrong’, a ‘misuse’ and really provides no meaningful information except to illustrate your own bias and prejudices. -XT ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/150 "2009-03-04T19:53:26Z")
I’ve been called a fag before. I’m not gay, but I realized that was what the ‘insulter’ was implying. That I was gay, and the term which was used was implying that it was, in fact, a ‘negative’ thing. I couldn’t help but think, ‘don’t these people realize that there are much worse things to labeled as?’ ---
**Author:** ![Jayn\_Newell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Jayn\_Newell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jayn_Newell)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/151 "2009-03-04T19:59:39Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Frankly because it’s amusing to see you dig yourself deeper with every post. Also, I’m genuinely curious how many pages of your lame ass excuses and stupidity this thread will run. Judging by other threads he’s participated in, 5-7. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/152 "2009-03-04T20:07:33Z")
> [@Jayn\_Newell](#): > > Judging by other threads he’s participated in, 5-7. The mortgage thread was put to sleep before its time; that was an amazing display of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/153 "2009-03-04T20:15:34Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > You are capalbe of examining your own words to see where you might have offended, are you not? Not only is he incapable of that, he’s incapable of just examining his own words. His post is his anti-cite, if you will. gonzomax has never been at war with the faggified poodles. ---
**Author:** ![Ed\_Zotti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/fbc32d/32.png) [@Ed\_Zotti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ed_Zotti)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/154 "2009-03-04T21:20:16Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Hey fuck you with a rooto-rooter pal. **Mod note:** Users are reminded that “fuck you” is one of the handful of [expressions not to be directed at other posters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858). Please don’t do this again. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/155 "2009-03-05T01:13:44Z")
I’m amazed at how patient everyone is with **gonzomax**. Don’t kid yourself, he knows he screwed up. Nobody’s that dense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/156 "2009-03-05T01:32:22Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I’m amazed at how patient everyone is with **gonzomax**. Don’t kid yourself, he knows he screwed up. Nobody’s that dense. You call this _patient?_ It’s four pages of pretty much every single person in the thread calling him a moron. I think the nicest thing anyone has said about him is that he’s inconsequential. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/157 "2009-03-05T02:02:46Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Frankly because it’s amusing to see you dig yourself deeper with every post. Also, I’m genuinely curious how many pages of your lame ass excuses and stupidity this thread will run. > > So you say they look ‘faggy’ instead, because this conveys information (they look like ‘fags’, i.e. they look like your conception of homosexuals) and is not a ‘misuse’. Is it then your contention that the dogs are homosexuals, or that their owners are? Because otherwise I’d have to say your use of the term would also be ‘wrong’, a ‘misuse’ and really provides no meaningful information except to illustrate your own bias and prejudices. > > -XT You get to be a bigger joke all the time. I thought the dogs or owners were gay? I have no information on them. I would never presume they were. it would not matter if they were ,but it never occurred to me. it did occur to you. The hole belongs to you. Dogs homosexual? Is such a thing possible? Please reveal your inside knowledge.I do not know what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/158 "2009-03-05T02:15:44Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You get to be a bigger joke all the time. I thought the dogs or owners were gay? I have no information on them. I would never presume they were. it would not matter if they were ,but it never occurred to me. it did occur to you. The hole belongs to you. > Dogs homosexual? Is such a thing possible? Please reveal your inside knowledge.I do not know what you are talking about. That’s it. I’ve never thought of you as a troll before, but you HAVE to be trolling this thread. I cannot believe you are old enough to have an adult son and have no idea what a “fag” is, and I do NOT believe you were saying those dogs looked like cigarettes, so it has to be the other nominal definition of the word. I’m done. You’re trolling. That’s the only explanation that doesn’t have you posting from an assisted living facility with a 24-hour nurse to wipe the drool from your chin. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/159 "2009-03-05T02:17:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You call this _patient?_ It’s four pages of pretty much every single person in the thread calling him a moron. That’s what I mean. Four pages. And posters still trying to find an angle in the hope he might understand. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/160 "2009-03-05T02:56:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > **Gonzomax** , you’re usually a pretty firmly left-wing poster, so perhaps I was mistaken in hanging the full spectrum of left-wing beliefs on you, but you really did surprise and disappoint me with [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508833). > > Seriously, describing the standard show cut for poodles as “faggy” (in the thread title, no less!) and “fagafied”? First of all, why is something fancy and impractical supposed to be gay? Second of all, I can guarantee you that the vast majority of owners of show poodles are heterosexual. Third of all, even if your characterization of the show cut as being typical of gay men were true, is there a particular reason to use the words you used? > > I find it hard to believe that you don’t understand just how kick-in-the-gut that word is when uttered or posted by a straight person. You wouldn’t characterize the frizzy natural coat of a poodle as “niggery”, would you? You wouldn’t characterize the curve of a parrot’s beak as “kikey”, would you? > > You need to think things through before you post, sir…if you were going for humor, you missed the target. Lets start at the beginning. I do not think poodle owners are gay. Why would I? I never said they were. The pictures of uncut poodles in this thread look good. That is my opinion. Fancy and impractical are your terms. I just have never liked the cut. I think it diminishes the looks of the dog.Faggy does not imply that the owners or dogs are gay. that would be ridiculous. Faggy refers to the subset of taste in clothes,colors and other things like that are flamboyant and over the top in their taste. They get the Tv time and like it or not, they are the most publicized section of gays. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=9)