# Gonzomax, you surprised and disappointed me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028 "2009-03-02T17:09:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/161 "2009-03-05T03:13:49Z")
> [@wring](#): > > ?? > > It. was. a. joke. > > Clue # 1 I’m from Michigan, too. Oh, sorry, for some reason I had you as from Chicago. I withdraw my request for you to fornicate with a plumbing tool then. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/162 "2009-03-05T03:36:36Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > So here’s a question… > > I grew up in the go-go 80s and 90s, where the proper slang for something lame or stupid was “gay”. I have no anti-homosexual feelings, and I completely understand how that would be construed as insulting to gay people. > > But I just can’t stop using it. I use the word “gay” all the time. This is gay, that’s gay, etc., etc. Strangely, I never use it to refer to people (even when they’re lame or stupid) and never use it to describe behavior that would be homosexual… > > So, is using “gay” hurtful to gay people? > > ETA: I never say “fag” or “faggot” unless I’m trying to be funny and refer to a cigarette that way… I grew up then, and even then regarded using “gay” in this way as lame and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/163 "2009-03-05T03:45:40Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] I never said they were. The pictures of uncut poodles in this thread look good. That is my opinion. Fancy and impractical are your terms. I just have never liked the cut. I think it diminishes the looks of the dog.Faggy does not imply that the owners or dogs are gay. that would be ridiculous. Faggy refers to the subset of taste in clothes,colors and other things like that are flamboyant and over the top in their taste. They get the Tv time and like it or not, they are the most publicized section of gays. [/QUOTE] Do you suppose this explanation actually helps your case any? You just keep digging yourself deeper. Seriously, you are actually getting MORE insulting…it seems to be keeping pace with your cluelessness, which to me is pretty friggin miraculous as I thought your level of being clueless was reaching black hole proportions. -XT ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/164 "2009-03-05T03:48:02Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > I grew up then, and even then regarded using “gay” in this way as lame and stupid. Me too, born 1980. I was never a fan of “retarded” either. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/165 "2009-03-05T14:20:22Z")
Wheee! Isn’t this fun? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/166 "2009-03-05T14:40:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Lets start at the beginning. I do not think poodle owners are gay. Why would I? > I never said they were. The pictures of uncut poodles in this thread look good. That is my opinion. Fancy and impractical are your terms. I just have never liked the cut. I think it diminishes the looks of the dog.Faggy does not imply that the owners or dogs are gay. that would be ridiculous. Faggy refers to the subset of taste in clothes,colors and other things like that are flamboyant and over the top in their taste. They get the Tv time and like it or not, they are the most publicized section of gays. Dude, you’re stereotyping. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason you think flamboyance represents gays is because it’s well, flamboyant and gets your attention? Has it never occurred to you that plenty more non-flamboyant homosexuals “get TV time” and it doesn’t ping your radar precisely because they are not flamboyant? If you meant “faggy” as a stereotype of a flamboyant homosexual and you aren’t actually referring to a flamboyant heterosexual in terms of endearment (probably only possible if you are gay, I guess), it’s a pretty blatant pejorative. How do you not get that? ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/167 "2009-03-05T14:43:15Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > I grew up then, and even then regarded using “gay” in this way as lame and stupid. Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/168 "2009-03-05T16:44:01Z")
[faggy: Meaning and Definition of | Infoplease](http://dictionary.infoplease.com/faggy) @ definitions here. One does not pertain because I have no knowledge on the sexual orientation those who own . Nor do I thing the dogs are gay. Therefore number 2 ,which pertains to an easily and identifiable sort of affectation does apply. In that respect the poodle hair cuts falls within the definition. There was no reference to sexual orientation. That is a false accusation. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/169 "2009-03-05T16:47:24Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://dictionary.infoplease.com/faggy](http://dictionary.infoplease.com/faggy) @ definitions here. One does not pertain because I have no knowledge on the sexual orientation those who own . Nor do I thing the dogs are gay. Therefore number 2 ,which pertains to an easily and identifiable sort of affectation does apply. In that respect the poodle hair cuts falls within the definition. > There was no reference to sexual orientation. That is a false accusation. Another Gonzoism! You missed: > [@](#): > > —adj., -gi•er, -gi•est. Slang (disparaging and offensive). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/170 "2009-03-05T16:51:59Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > There was no reference to sexual orientation. That is a false accusation. The one definition grew out of the other. You don’t have to be gay or a student of etymology to know this. I thought everybody in the world knew it but apparently not - for that matter if you haven’t worked it out in four pages I’m not sure you’re ever going to. You can’t say “faggy” with no reference to sexual orientation unless you’re British and trying to say ‘cigarette-y,’ which you are not. “Faggy” means flamboyant and affected because gays are stereotyped as flamboyant and affected. Many gays - go figure, I know this sounds crazy! - object to that stereotype. So they’re angry you threw that word out there in reference to dogs, and even those of us who don’t have a personal stake in it are a little amazed you’ve continued to defend this as long as you have. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/171 "2009-03-05T16:59:53Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] You can’t say “faggy” with no reference to sexual orientation unless you’re British and trying to say ‘cigarette-y,’ which you are not. “Faggy” means flamboyant and affected because gays are stereotyped as flamboyant and affected. Many gays - go figure, I know this sounds crazy! - object to that stereotype. So they’re angry you threw that word out there in reference to dogs, and even those of us who don’t have a personal stake in it are a little amazed you’ve continued to defend this as long as you have. [/QUOTE] Well…if he’s REALLY old (and geeky) he could have meant the dogs resembled rolled bundles of firewood… I tend to doubt it considering his later remarks, however. And since it’s gonzo I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. [QUOTE=gonzomax=gonzomax] There was no reference to sexual orientation. [/QUOTE] Get real. None of us think you were referring to the DOGS sexual orientation you idiot! You were quite obviously referring to the way the dogs looked and making a disparaging comment about how this resembled your conception of homosexual fashion. As kidchameleon pointed out in your own link it says ‘Slang (disparaging and offensive)’. As I linked to earlier in the thread (by you failed to bother to read), here is what [Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)) says about the term you used: > [@](#): > > Faggot or fag, in modern North American and Australian English is a word, and always[citation needed] **a highly pejorative term** , for a gay or effeminate man. Its use has spread to varying extents elsewhere in the English-speaking world. Bolding mine. READ the bolding, you idiot! -XT ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/172 "2009-03-05T17:28:24Z")
Geez, now I’m actually starting to feel sorry for Gonzo. I knew he was a crank on economics and so on, but there are lots of decent people who have nutty ideas–like Christians, for instance. And since he’s older, his once sentence posts can be explained by having to hunt and peck instead of type. But this thread is kind of like arguing with an Alzheimer’s patient. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/173 "2009-03-05T18:00:45Z")
If he said “I’m sorry, it was a stupid thing to say” and THEN folks pounded on him I’d feel sorry for him. As it is…not a chance. If ever there was a justification for a good old fashion Straight Dope pile on, this gonzo is the person for it. It is a bit like pushing some baby chicks into a pond full of neo-pike though… -XT ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/174 "2009-03-05T21:40:45Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > If he said “I’m sorry, it was a stupid thing to say” and THEN folks pounded on him I’d feel sorry for him. As it is…not a chance. If ever there was a justification for a good old fashion Straight Dope pile on, this gonzo is the person for it. > > It is a bit like pushing some baby chicks into a pond full of neo-pike though… > > -XT Agree. Gonzo when stuck in a hole don’t keep digging till you hit magma! ---
**Author:** ![longPath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bb73d2/32.png) [@longPath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/longPath)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/175 "2009-03-05T22:00:15Z")
I have a dog in this fight. In fact, I have four. Here is one of them. [Hamish](http://www.flickr.com/photos/deannas_pics/2296963554/) gets layed more than I do… He no longer sports the show coat. And, yes, I realize this thread is no longer about the dogs. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/176 "2009-03-05T22:16:12Z")
> [@longPath](#): > > I have a dog in this fight. In fact, I have four. Here is one of them. > > [Hamish](http://www.flickr.com/photos/deannas_pics/2296963554/) gets layed more than I do.. > > He no longer sports the show coat. > > And, yes, I realize this thread is no longer about the dogs. He’s a handsome dog. As the OP of this thread, let me assure you, this thread was never about the dogs in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/177 "2009-03-05T22:58:38Z")
If I dyed my beagles pink and gave them a partial shaving, what kind of remarks would be made? Who would be offended?Why? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/178 "2009-03-05T23:02:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If I dyed my beagles pink and gave them a partial shaving, what kind of remarks would be made? Who would be offended?Why? Regards, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/179 "2009-03-05T23:02:27Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If I dyed my beagles pink and gave them a partial shaving, what kind of remarks would be made? Who would be offended?Why? I believe the remark made would be that you’re a fucking idiot. Idiots would be offended. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028/180 "2009-03-05T23:17:40Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > If I dyed my beagles pink and gave them a partial shaving, what kind of remarks would be made?? By whom? You, or intelligent people? If you, something juvenile and flagrantly homophobic. If the rest of us, probably something like “pink is not a good color for dogs”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gonzomax-you-surprised-and-disappointed-me/488028.md?page=10)