# Good Alive: The Evil Dead forbidden thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 7, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306 "2010-10-07T00:11:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/61 "2010-10-18T19:17:29Z")
Given that the Town almost certainly has a Vig, they should be laying off Telcontar and lynching somebody else. Leave the confirmed scum to the Vig. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/62 "2010-10-18T19:19:38Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Given that the Town almost certainly has a Vig, they should be laying off Telcontar and lynching somebody else. Leave the confirmed scum to the Vig. Although that leaves Telcontar another night to use whatever his power (if any) is. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/63 "2010-10-18T19:21:31Z")
I’d guess a Grave Robber is some kind of coroner role - has the ability to tell what a dead player’s role actually did. No idea what a Trickster does. Maybe some kind of Inventor role with multiple one-shot powers. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/64 "2010-10-18T19:33:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I sort of get the impression that he’s not even intending to announce whom he investigated after the fact. If that’s the case, then he’ll really need to die: An outed investigator should _always_ reveal their results as soon as they get them. No idea what gave you this impression or how on earth you got it, but it’s wrong. I’d have revealed who I investigated after every one once I was outed. Had I still been alive in the game come Day Two, I’ve have told everyone I touched **Telcontar**. Thankfully, it’s not needed. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/65 "2010-10-18T19:36:15Z")
story - [love the new (possible) day-ending mechanic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13038517&postcount=1763). ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/66 "2010-10-18T19:38:09Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Although that leaves Telcontar another night to use whatever his power (if any) is. Unless he has a one-shot kill that’s still a good trade for a half-mislynch. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/67 "2010-10-18T19:41:20Z")
Rysto, if it makes you feel better, I wanted you dead the first night, but I was outvoted by my scum buddies. So you were really marked for death from the beginning, and I don’t think you played poorly at all. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but I had gotten a slight power vibe from you. Glad to know I was right! 😃 I’m really surprised by my death at the hands of whoever. Tell me the truth; did any of you guys honestly suspect me at all? I thought I was pretty clean so far. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/68 "2010-10-18T19:43:54Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m really surprised by my death at the hands of whoever. Tell me the truth; did any of you guys honestly suspect me at all? I thought I was pretty clean so far. That’s why I picked you as a Serial Killer kill; SKs don’t really care if they kill Town or Scum, they mostly want to make sure that their kill isn’t prevented, though they’ll go after confirmed Town if there’s a good chance they won’t be protected. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/69 "2010-10-18T19:45:44Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I couldn’t put my finger on it, but I had gotten a slight power vibe from you. That fucking “let’s claim parts of our PMs” discussion at the beginning of the game was killing me. I couldn’t say a goddamned word as to whether it was a good idea because I had no idea what a vanilla PM looked like. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/70 "2010-10-18T19:47:58Z")
Silly town. It’s like they WANT to hand clues over to the scum. Thanks, but we do alright on the information-gathering thing all on our own! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/71 "2010-10-18T19:56:26Z")
I still think that you should have announced your target just before Dawn. It didn’t turn out to matter, but it could have. Meanwhile, I’m inclined to believe **Oy!** , but I don’t think she made the best choice of target. It’s better to have multiple people sort-of confirmed, rather than one person mostly-confirmed. On the topic of a vig, if anything, I’d (from a Town perspective) prefer to kill the definite Scum now, and deal with the next kill when the time comes. It’d certainly be reasonable for other Townies to make suggestions to the Vig (if we even have one, which is still not certain), but there’s no sense in looking a gift lynch in the mouth. And this “final vote” idea could get interesting. Using it on **Telcontar** is easy, but I’m curious to see if anyone else uses it, and on whom. I’ll probably implement that next time I moderate. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/72 "2010-10-18T20:20:16Z")
Eh…if I’m ever placed in a like role again, I’ll consider it. I still think it gives too much away, though, and that it’s too much of a risk considering so many things one doesn’t know about the game. But I couldn’t reveal who I touched at the last minute anyway. I wasn’t online. I got on just in time to see Story post Night’s end. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/73 "2010-10-18T21:11:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Eh..if I’m ever placed in a like role again, I’ll consider it. > I still think it gives too much away, though, and that it’s too much of a risk considering so many things one doesn’t know about the game. How does it give away any more than revealing right after Dawn, like you say you would have? Sure, there’s a risk of Scum playing some sort of shenanigans with the results, but that’s a risk with any reveal. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/74 "2010-10-18T21:17:03Z")
Good lord, guys. What power could he possibly have that would hurt town worse than gaining a half-mislynch would help you? If he has a one-shot kill, Vigging him and allowing him to get the kill off is equivalent to lynching him. The only way that trying to Vig him could actually hurt the Town is if the scum had some way of redirecting the attack away from him(either with a bus driver or with a mass redirect – both of which are incredibly powerful scum powers and very unlikely). The town needs to take every half-mislynch they can get instead of throwing them away. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/75 "2010-10-18T21:28:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How does it give away any more than revealing right after Dawn, like you say you would have? Sure, there’s a risk of Scum playing some sort of shenanigans with the results, but that’s a risk with any reveal. Because it gives the chance, however small, for something to go wrong. If I tip my hand early, who knows what could happen? Who knows who could do a book spell or change a target due to unknown powers they could have? Go on about “But they wouldn’t have enough time to change anything if you posted right before Night ended” all you want…but I, personally, just don’t feel right with players in-game (whom I don’t know are town or scum) running my role for me. I prefer to make my own decisions. By the way, Telcontar -was- on right at the moment of Night end, too. Who’s to say he didn’t/doesn’t have some sort of power and didn’t have a new PM box open and ready to send to Story, ASAP, as soon as he saw I had touched him? If it’s two things I’ve learned in these games, it’s trust nobody and always keep your mind open to all possibilities. I just don’t see the advantage to saying who I touched before Night is over. After, sure..but not before. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/76 "2010-10-18T22:06:41Z")
I presume you mean _net_ advantage? Because the advantage is obvious: If you had investigated a human and been Night-killed, the benefit of your information would not have been lost. Meanwhile, I’d like to see some statistics on the third-vote thing, that **NAF** is saying really is statistically valid, after all. And I’m kind of curious if my vote-analysis program would say anything yet in this game: I might fire it up later to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/77 "2010-10-19T06:07:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I presume you mean _net_ advantage? Because the advantage is obvious: If you had investigated a human and been Night-killed, the benefit of your information would not have been lost. If I’ve had investigated a player and been Night-killed (not from touching a the person, but rather from an outside NK) the player still could have been a Demon/Deadite. I’ve seen no place where Story has cited my touching someone action comes before the scum kill or SK kill or vig kill action. So, really, it gives no confirmable information. All it does is serve up a lot of WiFoM. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/78 "2010-10-19T06:18:39Z")
Let me put it another way. **Story has said that every action, more or less, is successful.** So, under that understanding… Let’s say Person A is a Demon and I touch him. If come morning, I’m dead via being burned…you know it worked. Let’s say Person A is a human and I touch him. If come morning, I’m alive…you know he wasn’t a Demon. If come morning, I’m dead via some other way…you know he’s human…because if he was a Demon, _ **my fire touch would have worked regardless of me being Night-killed or not.** _ (Per Story’s confirmation above that all Night actions are–more or less–successful). So my saying who I touched before Night ends isn’t needed… …and besides, I still say it could give too much away. I’m a very paranoid-type mafia player, so you’re not going to convince me it would have been good to say something. 😛 In my opinion ANY extra info is bad for scum to get ahold of, no matter how improbable the chances of them using it is. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/79 "2010-10-19T13:06:22Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > If come morning, I’m dead via some other way…you know he’s human Yes, except that nobody living knows who “he” is. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306/80 "2010-10-19T21:39:52Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Yes, except that nobody living knows who “he” is. I know..but see the post before that one. It’s just a difference of opinion. I just don’t like the idea of doing it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-alive-the-evil-dead-forbidden-thread/556306.md?page=5)