# Good-bye Straight Up Dopes **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 1, 1999, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435 "1999-07-01T19:48:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 1999, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/1 "1999-07-01T19:48:00Z")
I have been the victim of blatant censorship at the hands of one of your moderators. It’s going to take ALOT longer than you thought. P.S. FEEL FREE TO DELETE MY USER NAME MOTHERFUCKERS. * * * “Right is only half of what’s wrong” - George Harrison _- Old Brown Shoe -_ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 1999, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/2 "1999-07-01T19:53:00Z")
Random question - did this guy remind anyone else of blando? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 1999, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/3 "1999-07-01T23:33:00Z")
Uh, just a technical question: How does one who is being censored manage to post whatever he likes in this forum? If he was, indeed, somehow censored, I’d like to know why. Although extremely illogical and even annoying I don’t recall DF99 doing anything more objectionable than just being wrong all the time. What’s up, Nick? Falcon - After reading posts by people like spedrick, dragonfly, and a handfull of Icelanders, I’m kinda nostalgic for blando. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 1999, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/4 "1999-07-02T02:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I have been the victim of blatant censorship at the hands of one of your moderators. Reminding myself that you can’t reason with an unreasonable person, I point out to you that the first rule around here (one you agreed to, btw) is “Don’t Be a Jerk.” You also agreed to this: > [@](#): > > You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person’s privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB. > > We reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever. . . Either play nice or leave. your humble TubaDiva/SDStaffDiv for the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 1999, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/5 "1999-07-02T02:12:00Z")
Papabear - I can see being nostaglic for blando - at least he was only sort of annoying. Compared to the ranting I’ve seen recently, he was downright normal. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 1999, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/6 "1999-07-04T03:11:00Z")
I did not delete anything of that schmuck’s until days later, when I found one post from him in a different thread wherein he called me a “moron.” I think he’s referring to my objecting to his vitriol in both of the “subliminal seduction” threads. ## I closed both those threads unedited. The evidence is there for all to see. He was warned. He persisted. He’ll be back. Nickrz GQ Mod ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 1999, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/7 "1999-07-04T03:12:00Z")
I did not delete anything of that schmuck’s until days later, when I found one post from him in a different thread wherein he called me a “moron.” I think he’s referring to my objecting to his vitriol in both of the “subliminal seduction” threads. ## I closed both those threads unedited. The evidence is there for all to see. He was warned. He persisted. He’ll be back. Nickrz GQ Mod ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 1999, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/8 "1999-07-04T04:08:00Z")
[[I have been the victim of blatant censorship at the hands of one of your moderators.]] dragonfly It’s probably because you’re an asshole. [[It’s going to take ALOT longer than you thought.]] Well, you’re certainly slolw in picking up on things. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 1999, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/9 "1999-07-04T08:49:00Z")
Nickrz did the right thing to leave the unedited boards available. I feel like I just slogged through Hades. And folks, unless you really know what you’re talking about and can back it up-- never get into an argument with Ambushed! What patience! What cites! Hats Off! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 1999, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/10 "1999-07-04T12:23:00Z")
Wow, no kidding, Doug. That was indeed a virtuoso performance. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 1999, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/11 "1999-07-10T23:09:00Z")
Somebody wrote: > [@](#): > > I did not delete anything of that schmuck’s until days later, when I found one post from him in a different thread wherein he called me a “moron.” I think he’s referring to my objecting to his vitriol in both of the “subliminal seduction” threads. Why use censorship to solve your lack of integrity and ingenuity? Apparently you don’t even have both feet on the ground… is by accident or design? > [@](#): > > I closed both those threads unedited. > The evidence is there for all to see. He was warned. He persisted. He’ll be back. There was no reason to close the thread - unless you couldn’tkeep up. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 1999, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/12 "1999-07-10T23:12:00Z")
Only 98 to go… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 1999, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/13 "1999-07-11T12:29:00Z")
**Doug Bowe** wrote: > [@](#): > > And folks, unless you really know what you’re talking about and can back it up-- never get into an argument with Ambushed! What patience! What cites! Hats Off! to which **Nickrz** replied: > [@](#): > > Wow, no kidding, Doug. That was indeed a virtuoso performance. I’ve seldom felt so honored, fellas. I humbly thank you both! I guess modesty should have kept me from repeating those quotes, but after engaging dragonfly and someone who shall remain nameless (but whose handle also ends in 99) in so many seemingly infinite rhetorical loops it just felt really, really nice to hear that not _everybody_ thinks I’m stupid! But as you can see from those “subliminal” threads, citations and patience often just aren’t enough for some people to even meet you half way. Just look at how much effort I wasted on research into circumcision vs. HIV only to have APB9999 say something on the order of: “your 12 citations versus my 1 clearly shows there’s no general consensus on the issue…” I don’t suppose you could put in a good word for me over in the “epistemology over here” thread over in Great Debates, could you? Just a thought – it’s probably too late anyway… By the way, **beatle** , you made me LOL! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/14 "1999-07-12T02:58:00Z")
Response to EdZotti: Once again I must reiterate my position on the matter of the blatant and sophomoric censorship of my threads on your boards. To me this smacks of incompetent behavior (read : soft-in-the-headisms) and administration of these boards IN THIS CASE. IHMO I just hope that whatever you have isn’t contagious! To wit: Censorship is for children. Censorship is a metaphor for those who aspire to be on severely limited and self-serving ego-centric(?) power trips (read: mightily unclear on da’ concept). Censorship is an artifact of totalitarian states best described and worshipped in science fiction texts. Censorship is and can be expensive and time consuming and usually not necessary in my view - lets’ not forget counter-productive - for some perhaps most reasonable people - but it usually suffices I guess for most for a daily quick fix of sham religion and non-existent morals for the pseudo-intellectually correct of this planet, whomever they are and wherever they might gather. That’s why this incongruent and poorly thought out action is FREE (read : arbitrary and thoughtless), in cause and effect perhaps even hilarious for some. Censorship is best left in ill-defined fuzzy terms and archaic (read: nonsensical) and haphazardly chosen terminology. But then again who wants to find out that they have been completely sold out; and this willingness to be sold out and to sell others out at the drop of an errrr… marbles, is a very thin disguise in my book for a materialistic lifestyle and of - you guessed it - American cultural choices, picks and trendy (read : soft-in-the-headisms) selections. I can only pray to MY GOD that any clown any one all that is knows what the words mean as this is now also highly and questionable (read : highly unlikely-isms) IHMO that is. Hey. I’ll say it again - no big deal. But then again YOU are the one who has to look at your fellow humans in the face every day. This i believe is because censorship can only be a non-sensical and poorly thought-out action when it is looked at in the context of an unchecked moral failing due in part to those who partake and nod in approval when it occurs. It makes for a lousy interface for human communcations if you ask me that is, and makes me wonder; but not too much. Misery is also a pain in the rear-end and just as magically poorly defined. After all I have to read the paper every morning just like everybody else. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/15 "1999-07-12T06:03:00Z")
Hey, I’m new here - did the above make sense to anybody else? Or am I just having a bad day? * * * sosumi ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/16 "1999-07-12T08:36:00Z")
Sounds like a few people that I’ve met on another message board. They insult people and then expect to get away with it. Then they post nonsense when they get censored or banned. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/17 "1999-07-12T13:05:00Z")
OK, so I’m at a party, hoping to enjoy myself, and someone starts yelling obscenities and taking off their clothes. Does the host try to take some action to stop this, or does the host smile politely and say, “Censorship is for children”? Or does the host say, in academic tones, “Censorship is an artifact of totalitarian states.” If the host doesn’t take some action, then in very short time, everyone else will have left the party. Sorry, but IMHO insisting on manners and courtesy in public debate isn’t censorship – it’s insisting on manners and courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/18 "1999-07-12T16:11:00Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t “Good-bye” something you say just before you LEAVE? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/19 "1999-07-12T18:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Once again I must reiterate my position on the matter of the blatant and sophomoric censorship of my threads on your boards. OAllright then. I can read and write. So sue me! > [@](#): > > To me this smacks of incompetent behavior (read : soft-in-the-headisms) and administration of these boards IN THIS CASE. IHMO I just hope that whatever you have isn’t contagious! Yeah you’re absolutely right. You got me on that one. It was a cheap shot comparing my thoughtless assinine assides with your classical remarks. What if it is contagious IMHO? 😉 > [@](#): > > Censorship is for children. Hey! They are just words. Why elaborate on nonsensical logical disinformation? I won’t tell if your won’t. And believe me I won’t cry about it. But you sure will (or am I dreaming?) 🙂 CKDextHavn wrote: > [@](#): > > OK, so I’m at a party, hoping to enjoy myself, and someone starts yelling obscenities and taking off their clothes. Does the host try to take some action to stop this, or does the host smile politely and > say, “Censorship is for children”? Or does the host say, in academic tones, “Censorship is an artifact of totalitarian states.” What’s the fuss about? After all they might get censored as well. Maybe artificial would be a better choice of words. PapaBear wrote: > [@](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t “Good-bye” something you say just before you LEAVE? Correct me if I’m wrong, but how could it possibly matter when censorship is the call of the day. Censorship is for ADULTS? Really? Or am I still just dreaming? Where are those damn pseudo-intellectuals when you really need them… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 1999, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435/20 "1999-07-12T19:22:00Z")
Does the term, non sequitur, mean anything to you? You talk an awful lot but you don’t say anything! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-bye-straight-up-dopes/435.md?page=2)