# Good Pope/Bad Pope **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 2, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332 "2005-04-02T00:33:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/121 "2005-04-07T20:47:16Z")
> [@gum](#): > > Originally posted by \*\* BigBoss3\*\* ? > > You mean: Beside the fact that the Islamic faith allows multiple wives? Well, if you’re married to the person, then it’s not extra-marital. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/122 "2005-04-07T20:51:04Z")
heh. You’re both right. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/123 "2005-04-07T22:01:17Z")
> [@](#): > > ANd also, how do you code a ‘tab’? Key your information using Notepad, inserting tabs where relevant. Then Ctrl + A or Right Click to get a pop-up window and choose Select All. Ctrl + C or Right Click and choose Copy. In the Message window, enter [Code] [/code] (removing the spaces between the brackets) then paste (Ctrl + V) your text between the code tags. Click on Reply to this post to see how it works: ```auto Normal text Tabbed Text Normal Text Twice Tabbed Text Country A 50 Country B 60 Country C 70 ``` Without the Code tags: Normal text ``` Tabbed Text ``` Normal Text Twice Tabbed Text Country A 50 Country B 60 Country C 70 (If your text is too large, it will be inserted with scroll bars on the right and bottom to let readers see the whole text.) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/124 "2005-04-08T12:44:12Z")
My point with reference to Big Boss’ data is that a country with a 20% Catholic population (thus not making Big Boss’ chart) with a population of, say, 50 million, would still have 10 million Catholics, an awful lot of people being misled, in short. Even if the population is only 5 million, that’s 1 million people being lied to, who are prone to buy the lies. Still sounds Double Plus Ungood to me. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/125 "2005-04-11T14:59:31Z")
> [@BigBoss3](#): > > Rashak, you live in a catholic country with a relatively low AIDS rate- have Catholics been succesful in stopping condoms/Sex-ed over there? > > ANd also, how do you code a ‘tab’? I didn’t understand the “tab” question… You’ve got some good points… but just seeing the effect of the RCC “directly” as opposed to their effects indirectly seemed wrong to me. The Health Ministry has basically invested a lot in AIDS prevention education and TV campaigns. Most Catholic Bishops in Brazil are “more liberal” than the regular Vatican people… so few have opposed these campaigns. Still among protestant and catholic fundies we see a lot of anti-condoms BS. Brazil has carnaval… not using condoms here is suicide 🙂 (promoting a wrong stereotype… but fine… hehe) ---
**Author:** ![BigBoss3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@BigBoss3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigBoss3)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/126 "2005-04-11T19:17:39Z")
Ah, sorry… the ‘tab’ thing was meant as a general request for anyone to explain how to format text, not a personal question. (Thanks tomndebb, btw). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/127 "2005-04-12T16:05:28Z")
More suited for GQ, perhaps, but since this thread is already opened and it’s relevant: When PJP2 referred to gay marriage as part of an “ideology of evil”, was he speaking _ex cathedra_ (i.e. did he have his infallibility hat on)? FTR, I have extremely mixed reviews of his papacy, but being neither Catholic nor Christian I don’t think I was his target demographic. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/128 "2005-04-12T18:32:36Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > More suited for GQ, perhaps, but since this thread is already opened and it’s relevant: When PJP2 referred to gay marriage as part of an “ideology of evil”, was he speaking _ex cathedra_ (i.e. did he have his infallibility hat on)? > > FTR, I have extremely mixed reviews of his papacy, but being neither Catholic nor Christian I don’t think I was his target demographic. No, he wasn’t. In fact, I don’t think that John Paul II ever made an _ex cathedra_ statement. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/129 "2005-04-12T19:35:37Z")
JP II never made a declaration _ex cathedra_. In fact, the only two popes who have ever done so were Pius IX (retroactively–that is how we got stuck with the doctrine) and Pius XII. When John Paul II declared that the discussion regarding women priests was “closed,” Cardinal Ratzinger immediately attempted to declare that statement infallible. JP II had his secretary issue a statement (couched in all the polite diplomatic language that makes it difficult for the outsider to read) that basically told Ratzy that there had been no _ex cathedra_ declaration and that Ratzy should keep his personal wishes out of official pronouncements. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2005, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332/130 "2005-04-12T19:54:59Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > When John Paul II declared that the discussion regarding women priests was “closed,” Cardinal Ratzinger immediately attempted to declare that statement infallible. JP II had his secretary issue a statement (couched in all the polite diplomatic language that makes it difficult for the outsider to read) that basically told Ratzy that there had been no _ex cathedra_ declaration and that Ratzy should keep his personal wishes out of official pronouncements. What the Pope actually _wanted_ to say to the good _coughcough_ Cardinal: (with inadequate apologies to Harnick and Bock) o/` Ratfinker, Ratfinker, go get kneecapped. You reached too far, gonna get slapped. Ratfinker, Ratfinker, *również zobacz* and cut out the retro crap... o/` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-pope-bad-pope/297332.md?page=6)