# Good Riddance Warren Jeffs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281 "2011-08-11T01:09:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/81 "2012-01-07T02:32:09Z")
[This is Jeffs’ father](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Rulonfull.jpg) and predecessor as cult leader, Rulon, with two of several teenaged wives he took when he was in his 70s/80s. According to Carolyn Jessop, whose husband Merrill had several daughters married to Rulon, many of Rulon’s wives were virgins when he died due to his age and health, and all of them married Warren when Rulon died. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/82 "2012-01-07T02:36:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I always wonder when I get called to jury duty if it’ll be something spectacular like this. I can’t even _imagine_ some of the things the jury had to hear and see, let alone what those girls went through. Twelve year olds? Jeebus. I was on a grand jury once and we heard an unfortunate number of sexual abuse cases, ranging from teens to little-more-than-toddlers. No, it’s not pretty. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/83 "2012-01-07T03:00:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > [This is Jeffs’ father](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Rulonfull.jpg) and predecessor as cult leader, Rulon, with two of several teenaged wives he took when he was in his 70s/80s. According to Carolyn Jessop, whose husband Merrill had several daughters married to Rulon, many of Rulon’s wives were virgins when he died due to his age and health, and all of them married Warren when Rulon died. Oh, Dear God, Please guide the prophet to choose for me a husband so old he can’t get it up, and young enough to live another fifteen years. By then I’ll be nearly 30 and chances are good my second husband will be only twice my age. ---
**Author:** ![Renie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecae2f/32.png) [@Renie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renie)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/84 "2012-01-07T03:14:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They really do have that freaky shit where your stepdaughter is also your stepmother and your half-sisters on one side are married to your half-brother on the other and your son’s wife is your former mother-in-law and your nephew who is 40 years older than you is also your step-grandfather and two of your daughters are married to one of your brothers-in-law whose other wife is the mother of two of your daughters-in-law, etc.. What those people can do with a family tree would boggle the most talented topiary sculptor who ever lived. And they say the results of this inner-marrying is also making many babies be born deformed and with rare birth defects. The stories of all the unmarked baby graves in these communities is scary, also the stories of the children with one particular VERY RARE genetic disease (can’t remember the name) that is like one in a million in the main-stream, but a couple children with it per block in these communities. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/85 "2012-01-07T03:22:09Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > If your family tree doesn’t fork, you’re probably a Jeffs? I thought there was quite a lot of forking going on, with 125 kids and such… ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/86 "2012-01-07T04:20:55Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Look at this: > > [http://gawker.com/warren-jeffs/](http://gawker.com/warren-jeffs/) > > According to this report the pervert is/was masturbating 15+ times a day while in jail and not trying to hide it. Gee, even Hand Job was only jerking off ten times a day and when it did in the waiting room of the Navy Head Shrinker at Da Nang he was given a section 8. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/87 "2012-01-07T04:33:56Z")
> [@Renie](#): > > And they say the results of this inner-marrying is also making many babies be born deformed and with rare birth defects. The stories of all the unmarked baby graves in these communities is scary, also the stories of the children with one particular VERY RARE genetic disease (can’t remember the name) that is like one in a million in the main-stream, but a couple children with it per block in these communities. [Fumarase deficiency](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumarase_deficiency), which according to the Wikipedia article is also known as “Polygamist Down’s”. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/88 "2012-01-07T13:37:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > [This is Jeffs’ father](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Rulonfull.jpg) and predecessor as cult leader, Rulon, with two of several teenaged wives he took when he was in his 70s/80s. According to Carolyn Jessop, whose husband Merrill had several daughters married to Rulon, many of Rulon’s wives were virgins when he died due to his age and health, and all of them married Warren when Rulon died. The matching dresses…well, they do _look_ happy. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2012, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/89 "2012-01-07T22:00:28Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > The matching dresses…well, they do _look_ happy. Wouldn’t you be? The man’s rich, powerful, and a silver fox! ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/90 "2012-01-08T02:23:45Z")
And now he’s in a coma. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/91 "2012-01-08T03:54:20Z")
Hmm, five people in the DeathPool are probably waiting anxiously to see if he comes out of it! Shoot, I googled and all the coma reports are from last August. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/92 "2012-01-08T04:45:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > If God tells you to do something, and it is evil, it wasn’t God. Do people really think we Christians haven’t already dealt with what to do with someone who claims “God told them” when it winds up hurting other people? Please. I’m pretty sure the Bible is full of examples of God ordering people to hurt one another. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/93 "2012-01-09T02:59:18Z")
Oops. My apologies. It was at the top of the Gawker link. Thus, I concluded it was even newer news. Nope, August. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/94 "2012-01-09T07:02:37Z")
How happy are they really; being married to someone whose as old as their grandfather AND one of their cousins to boot, being taught that your purpose is to be a baby vending machine, poorly educated, and wearing dresses that Anne of Green Gables would think are ugly? Do they get to even read Anne of Green Gables or is that forbidden , since Anne goes to Queen’s College? I wouldn’t be happy, and I am sure most doper women wouldn’t be happy either. No fucking way would I want that life for my daughter . ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/95 "2012-01-09T08:48:58Z")
[QUOTE=anya marie] Do they get to even read Anne of Green Gables or is that forbidden , since Anne goes to Queen’s College? [/QUOTE] Carolyn Jessop talked about that in her memoir, _Escape_. She was a grade school teacher at the same school where Warren Jeffs taught and said when Rulon was alive the church was strict about what kids could read but not insanely strict- basically on par with most conservative religious schools: _Little House on the Prairie_ and _Black Beauty_ fine, Judy Blume no, things in-between on a sort of case by case basis, but there weren’t book-nazis and Jessop herself (who grew up FLDS but had lived in Salt Lake City as a child) had a large children’s literature collection. Jeffs did away with ALL children’s books. They were allowed to read textbooks he chose and his sermons and writings (and you know how 8 year olds love to read sermons). He also declared most toys to be sinful, and in one of his more famous rulings the color red was forbidden and removed from all crayon packs (which most kids didn’t have anyway). ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/96 "2012-01-09T09:16:12Z")
I’ve been meaning to read Escape - but I have the dreadful suspicion that I would want to punch someone after reading it. I wasn’t much for church at 8. I was thinking that I’d rather be at Grandma’s than sit and be lectured to. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/97 "2012-01-09T14:16:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Jeffs did away with ALL children’s books. They were allowed to read textbooks he chose and his sermons and writings (and you know how 8 year olds love to read sermons). He also declared most toys to be sinful, and in one of his more famous rulings the color red was forbidden and removed from all crayon packs (which most kids didn’t have anyway). Sheesh. You know, in Terry Pratchett’s book _Monstrous Regiment_, an insane god makes all sorts of proclamations about what is sinful and forbidden. This god also declares that a color is sinful, but I believe the color is blue. When I read the book, I had a good laugh at the thought that a color was considered sinful. I ain’t laughing now. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/98 "2012-01-09T17:40:01Z")
Here’s a little article that appeared in the local paper about Jeffs: [http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012301090021](http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012301090021) For those not wishing to click the link. Apparently he’s sending letters and boxes of books to Butte County, South Dakota even though he has no vested interest in the county. His group does have a compound in Custer County though and they are also receiving letters and books. The article doesn’t elaborate on what the letters say though. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/99 "2012-01-14T10:42:37Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > And the baby waterboarding. (See also: [_Escape_, by Carolyn Jessop](http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/B0026IBX14/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1313095819&sr=8-2)) An excellent book. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2012, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281/100 "2012-01-14T10:51:59Z")
> [@anya\_marie](#): > > I’ve been meaning to read Escape Go for it. It does have a happy ending, she gets out for good with most of her kids. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/good-riddance-warren-jeffs/592281.md?page=6)