# Goodbye, Magic! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 8, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445 "2010-06-08T16:48:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445/121 "2010-06-29T21:43:57Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > The version of that deck I built predated the restriction of Burning Wish and LED in Vintage, and could routinely win on turn 2. It seldom saw turn 3. That’s why I was a little surprised. > > Stifling or Trickbinding the Storm trigger nowadays leaves the player with no way to restart, so scooping in the face of the Trickbind was a rational choice. (I remember one game in which an opponent mulliganed to 4 cards in hand in order to ensure he could cast a turn 1 Null Rod. I had one card in the deck to deal with such evilness. I didn’t draw it in time. Sorry to bump an old thread, but I find it very funny that a Type 1 Tendrils combo player is calling Null Rod “evilness”. 🙂 I agree it hoses your deck, but as far as who brought evil to the table, I’d probably have to throw the scales to the other direction. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445/122 "2010-06-29T22:47:43Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > The official stance is that [Mana Burn] was an extra rule to confuse newbs and had only [limited benefits](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=89003) to the game. Also, it allowed them to print [Near Death Experience](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=193467). > > Was it worth it? Eh. I dunno. [Power Surge](http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=510) is the real loser on the Mana Burn change. The only use of it now is to punish people who have lands that don’t tap for mana or only have abilities that for some reason they can’t play. There actually is a recent example - [Eye of Ugin](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197881) - but they’re very rare these days. One thing it does is to make the decision about whether to tap something about to die for mana. It used to potentially cost you some damage, now it’s free. It’s in direct contrast to what they did with combat mechanics, although obviously combat is a much larger part of the game then destruction of mana sources so that’s not much of an argument against it. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445/123 "2010-06-30T02:20:05Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > There’s a Sliver that’s basically identical to the Juzam Djinn, in fact. [Plague Sliver](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=116748). Oddly, the Oracle text says “permanent” instead of “creature”. Are there non-creature Slivers somewhere? I got back into Magic right around Zendikar, after being out since about Urza’s Saga. I don’t get much time to play these days, but I’m really, really liking pre-release and launch parties. I think the Limited format is more fun than constructed formats. Booster drafts are awesome. I’ve heard good things about EDH, but I’ve only ever played one game of it so far. Looks to be a blast as well. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445/124 "2010-06-30T03:04:25Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > [Plague Sliver](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=116748). Oddly, the Oracle text says “permanent” instead of “creature”. Are there non-creature Slivers somewhere? Sure… any Tribal permanent under the effects of Artificial Evolution. Why you’d do that… not sure.. but it could happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-magic/542445.md?page=6)