# Goodbye **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907 "2014-07-12T02:02:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/61 "2014-07-12T16:21:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Am I the only one who learned in this thread thatHonestyis black? Or gay? I thought Honesty was an old straight white woman, so I had no problem with her. ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/62 "2014-07-12T16:26:22Z")
Bye. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/63 "2014-07-12T17:00:44Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Welp, that’s too bad. Am I the only one who learned in this thread that **Honesty** is black? Or gay? > > I agree with Martin Hyde- we get some racist bullshit on this board, but from the limited amount of time I can spend here it doesn’t seem to me like it gets accepted at all, and those posters AFAICT end up with reputations as the biggest morons on the board. I guess I haven’t followed most of the threads **Honesty** was in, but I can’t see why he thinks this, of all places, is especially racist. > > I’ve been reading the biography of Andrew Jackson lately, and Holy Shit!!1!1! were people unabashedly, unselfconsciously racist in those days. Yah, everyone knows how racist this country was in the past, but if you’re ignorant of history like I am and take a look at the source material, it is still pretty surprising. If we compare Jackson to Hitler wrt his treatment of the Indians, I guess we can say that Jackson didn’t torture the Indians before he killed them, would tolerate their further existence once they’d been driven out of the land he coveted, and didn’t go on a career-defining propaganda campaign against them. He seemed motivated by making America strong vs. its international rivals, not any particular hatred against the Indians, but _geez_, the fact that he was a genocidaire does not seem to have weighed on his conscience at all, and his opinion of blacks and Indians as inferior did not seem to ignite any internal debate at all. I mean, holy fucking smurfberries, Batman, the entire country, from top to bottom, was utterly, unselfreflectingly racist! > > Here, I think it is just a few select posters, and they get disrespected. **Honesty** didn’t get pitted like **adaher** because, ISTM, he wasn’t regarded as a complete moron. (no offense **adaher** , stick around and be wrong some more) Honesty even changed my mind at least once that I remember. I don’t see why **Honesty** felt this way about the SDMB, but again, I didn’t follow him very closely. > > Ah well. I hope his career is successful and that he finds a nice boyfriend that makes him feel secure and good about himself and his place in the world. So long, bud. Here’s one person who is cool with black people, and gays. Whatever. QFT, and I agree. Speaking of the “scientific” racists, they seem to be very quiet right now, but I have seen a few making sure that their reputations as the biggest morons on the board are maintained, not only as racists but as climate change deniers too. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/64 "2014-07-12T17:11:30Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I mean, holy fucking smurfberries, Batman, the entire country, from top to bottom, was utterly, unselfreflectingly racist! In general, you’re not wrong. But I’d say that the justices (i.e. part of the “top” in “from top to bottom”) who ruled on the Supreme Court that the Indian Nations should be dealt with as sovereign nations may or may not have been racist, but I’d say that it doesn’t qualify as “utterly, unselfreflectingly” racist. But yeah. Both the breadth and depth of casual racism was a lot worse back then. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/65 "2014-07-12T17:50:48Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Never mind that – you mean there are black people on this Board?!? :eek: Holy crap! There are Siamese people. . . period?!? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/66 "2014-07-12T18:22:54Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Holy crap! There are Siamese people. . . period?!? Regardless of whether or not you please. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/67 "2014-07-12T18:23:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Oh, I have no problem recognizing that the U.S. has made considerable strides since the 1950s, or even the 1980s, but then some story about a Justice of the Peace who wouldn’t issue a marriage license to a mixed-race couple comes up as a stark reminder. Yes, that’s a perfect indicator of racial attitudes in the U.S., as opposed to the 99.99999999999% of J.P.s and other officials who routinely issue such licenses without having a personal problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/68 "2014-07-12T18:58:22Z")
I find it rather difficult to express my innate racism to plain text on a gray screen. There are no visual cues. Could the Mods maybe institute some sort of color coding system so we know if the poster we are interacting is someone we might want to express our prejudice against? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/69 "2014-07-12T18:58:47Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Regardless of whether or not you please. #ThreadWin ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907/70 "2014-07-12T19:26:53Z")
Just so everyone knows, when Chris Dorner went on his killing spree and gunned down Monica Qwan and Kieth Williamson in cold blood, Honesty was praising him as an avenging angel and compared him to batman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye/692907.md?page=3)