He did not join a fascist movement. That is a complete fabrication.
Nor did he even express views that one could call hateful. Damore is more likely to become an example of companies enforcing a certain worldview, something which our descendants will probably laugh at us for.
They all promote the Nazi view on women - that they should be excluded from positions of authority, that they are biologically unfit for higher learning, and should be kept in the home with the children. Nazis are terrible on a wide range of topics and opinions.
(Well, maybe not the photographer. I don’t know what his project is about.)
adaher - that’s the hateful view which Damore expressed. You seem a little unclear about that.
It’s hateful to be opposed to groupthink?
Damore never expressed any of that. If what he said was so awful then why the need to lie about it and make up stuff?
You think our descendants will laugh at us for subscribing in the world view that woman can and should contribute at all levels of society because they have much to offer?
If they laugh it’s going to be at yokels like Damore… and you.
I’m not lying.
What Damore said was that science has proven that women are biologically less interested in technical fields then men, due to prenatal testosterone exposure, and that this biological disinterest is equivalent to a biological inability. Damore concluded that social expectations don’t influence women’s ability to be leaders or pursue technical fields as much as their biological difference from men, and that Google was hurting itself by trying to promote women into roles that they are not capable of performing, due to their biology.
You don’t have to take my word that this what Damore is claiming. Here’s how Wired sees it for example.
You can try to explain how this is different from the Nazi belief that women are only suited for Kinder, Küche, Kirche - but honestly, I doubt anyone would fall for it.
Damore’s science is shit, by the way.
You can read the whole memo by him here -
https://www.recode.net/2017/8/5/16102476/google-diversity-vp-employee-memo
and several critiques from actual scientists here
Here -
Ultimately, there’s no way to divorce Damore’s shitty science and shittier attitudes from all the previous thousands of years of sexist notions about women and their supposed inability to perform in leadership or intellectual roles. There’s also a clear line between the shitty science and beliefs of the Nazi’s to Damore’s sexism. It’s just tarted up with new buzzwords.
No, our descendants will laugh at us for being uptight and driving from polite society anyone who expresses a view different from the herd.
Being wrong doesn’t mean you simply “have a different view”. Flat-earthers have a different view, too.
That’s the excuse of people who’ve been shown it, who know it, but can’t yet force themselves to act like it.
Because there’s absolutely no day light between Women are only good for kids, cooking, and church, and the idea that on average Women are less likely to be programmers.
Is it sexist against men to suggest that men don’t want to enter certain fields?
The issue isn’t whether on average women are less likely to be programmers (that’s a simple matter of counting, and…yes, yes, they are). The issue is about whether or not on average women are less able to be programmers. The current science does not support that position. And even if it did, the next step would “to what degree?” and “are these differences important?,” not the wholesale abandonment of the effort to increase diversity in a very non-diverse field.
(Of course, none of these are the real question, which is: If someone publicly perform acts that are an embarrassment to their employer, can they get out of being fired by claiming “help, help, I’m being oppressed!” and not seeing the irony of their position? Current science says “no” and “yes,” respectively.)
“Help, help, I’m being oppressed! Come and see the irony inherent in the position!”
You do understand “don’t want to” isn’t the same as “are biologically unsuited for,” right?
He didn’t claim women were biologically unsuited for Google jobs.
The specific point I was responding to was that this guy’s argument was the equivalent of saying women are only good for church, cooking, and kids. Even with your more accurate take on his argument there’s still a giant chasm between the two positions.
I have never heard Milo or Jordan B Peterson say anything remotely like that. Molyneux is some sort of libertarian (or “anarcho-capitalist”) from what I understand so I can’t imagine him saying that. Opposing gender quotas does not mean women should not be allowed to work.
Incidentally, everybody has this view (opposing gender quotas) regarding men. Feminists (who are supposedly working for “equality”) don’t believe there should be gender quotas requiring 50% of nurses, teachers, fashion models, or biologists to be men. Nor does anyone support quotas to make women have 50% of bad jobs such as sewer maintenance. Feminists want women to have 50% of the best jobs regardless of whether they are interested or qualified, while letting men continue to suffer and die in the worst jobs.
And anyway, there is nothing particularly “Nazi” about believing women should be housewives. This was the traditional belief in many different societies for thousands of years, including traditional Christian, Muslim and Jewish societies. You could just as easily argue Damore is a “secret evil Muslim” based on your specious line of reasoning. Or we could argue that anyone who supports public schools is a communist who wants to kill 50 million people, since communists did that and had public schools. It’s a preposterous argument.
This is literal Godwinning of the argument. You take 3 people who have very different political views, and you call them all Nazis simply because they disagree with you on with the quasi-Marxist feminist concept of gender quotas and affirmative action in comfortable, high-paying jobs.
This is absurd. Have you ever met a feminist?
No one here but us chickens.
And they say Fake News and a Post Truth environment is the fault of the Right… :dubious:
The people that want to burn Damore at the stake clearly didn’t read what he actually wrote or chose to believe something else than what was actually stated.