# GOP Dirty Tricks: Harassing "False-flag" Robo-calling **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369 "2006-11-07T00:04:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/61 "2006-11-08T01:36:27Z")
I live in NH, registered unenrolled, and I received a bunch of the robo-calls from the RNCC (which it only mentions at the very very end). The calls have stopped now, though, as they seem to be illegal under NH law, but I can verify what the OP says firsthand. The call begins in a friendly female voice as follows: “Hello. I’m calling with information about Paul Hodes.” [the Dem candidate] Of course, as the OP states, at this point most people hang up, thinking it was a pro-Hodes call. Repeat ad nauseum, and people have really been getting mad. I have seen locals say and post things along the lines of “That’s it, I’m voting against Hodes to let him know what I think of his campaign tactics!” So damned if it doesn’t actually work. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/62 "2006-11-08T01:39:57Z")
Every two years, the same rant…It utterly sucks, beyone all theoretical limits of neutron density suckitude…that a citizens access to voting and security of voting should be dependent on whether that ciitizen lives in an affluent neighborhood, or not. It stinks on ice, stinks up the room, it reeks and rots. By an odd coincidence, one particular political party finds itself exploiting that fact every two\* fucking\* years! They enchance the civic power of the comfortable at the expense of the poor. Class struggle wise, that really bites it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/63 "2006-11-08T01:44:13Z")
[QUOTE=LilyoftheValley] I live in NH, registered unenrolled . . . [/QUOTE] 😕 ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/64 "2006-11-08T01:48:40Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 [/QUOTE] AKA “undeclared”, it’s the term for people who are registered to vote but not in any party. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/65 "2006-11-08T03:25:51Z")
[QUOTE=LilyoftheValley] Of course, as the OP states, at this point most people hang up, thinking it was a pro-Hodes call. Repeat ad nauseum, and people have really been getting mad. I have seen locals say and post things along the lines of “That’s it, I’m voting against Hodes to let him know what I think of his campaign tactics!” So damned if it doesn’t actually work. [/QUOTE] Hodes appears to have won. Must be the real source of the calls was found out too early. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/66 "2006-11-08T04:24:43Z")
[QUOTE=DMC] Your first link leads…_snipped for brevity_… So, what’s your stance on the current dirty tricks that have been outlined in this thread? [/QUOTE] So the Daily KOS is God’s Honest Truth? :rolleyes: As far as allegations go, investigate 'em, I says. If proven, prosecute 'em, I says. Regardless of party. But don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s _only_ raining on Democrats. Here’s another non-blog [linky link](http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/B400FAC3338F7D0C86257215002217D1?OpenDocument) from a lefty new source. Considering the organization, I’m much more willing to ascribe these allegations to incompetence and individual carelessness than any deliberate organization-wide attempt at fraud. But it still don’t look good. [QUOTE=Airblairxxx] Cite #1 is two years old…_snipped for brevity_… The more things change . . . [/QUOTE] So we only worry about what’s happening today? Sorry, I’m not wired that way. While I don’t condone _any_ instance of willfull disenfranchisement, then or now, I do look askance as ridiculously weighted OPs that make no pretence of overlooking their own past. Mote, remove thyself from thine own eye. As far as things changing as they stay the same…how many dead people do _you_ think voted Democrat in Chicago today? I’m willing to wager that Daley the Younger learned well at the feet of Daley the Elder. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/67 "2006-11-08T05:08:08Z")
[QUOTE=ExTank] So the Daily KOS is God’s Honest Truth? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Nope, not at all, although it is at least current, and therefore can be verified fairly easily. On the other hand, the OP also included a link to a news station, which I do indeed put above all four of your links, even if they had been current. > [@](#): > > As far as allegations go, investigate 'em, I says. If proven, prosecute 'em, I says. Regardless of party. Then we’re in agreement. > [@](#): > > But don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s _only_ raining on Democrats. Your weather forecast was from two years ago. I’m inclined to believe that some dirty tricks have come from the Democratic side during this election, but haven’t seen any evidence of it so far, as opposed to evidence pointing towards that other group. When it comes out, I’ll happily condemn it. > [@](#): > > Here’s another non-blog [linky link](http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/B400FAC3338F7D0C86257215002217D1?OpenDocument) from a lefty new source. I’d give the one accuser a bit more credibility if she hadn’t gotten a job with the Republicans before coming forward with her accusations. Otherwise, I see mismanagement as well as potential other issues to warrant a thorough investigation, followed by punishment where warranted, but at this point, I see no actual evidence of malicious wrongdoing. If I had to guess, I’d guess there is likely some, but until then, it’s just a fired worker making allegations, as well as evidence of poor management. > [@](#): > > Considering the organization, I’m much more willing to ascribe these allegations to incompetence and individual carelessness than any deliberate organization-wide attempt at fraud. But it still don’t look good. Agreed on both counts, although I actually feel that there are probably individuals within the organization that have crossed lines, but that’s just a gut instinct. It still doesn’t compare to what is being documented throughout this thread. > [@](#): > > So we only worry about what’s happening today? Sorry, I’m not wired that way. While I don’t condone _any_ instance of willfull disenfranchisement, then or now, I do look askance as ridiculously weighted OPs that make no pretence of overlooking their own past. Mote, remove thyself from thine own eye. Perhaps it’s because we’ve discussed the past transgressions ad nauseam here? > [@](#): > > As far as things changing as they stay the same…how many dead people do _you_ think voted Democrat in Chicago today? I’m willing to wager that Daley the Younger learned well at the feet of Daley the Elder. Bring out the evidence, even if it’s poor, and then I’ll be glad to discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369/68 "2006-11-08T05:37:03Z")
The point is not whether the ploy actually affected the election. It is that they are attempting to subvert the process. They are deliberatelyundermining the democracy and should be prosecuted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-dirty-tricks-harassing-false-flag-robo-calling/379369.md?page=3)