# GOP establishment fears the monster they created... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 4, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337 "2013-02-04T20:50:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/21 "2013-02-05T06:45:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes let’s bring back Rovian “conservatism”! Huge deficits, housing bubble, war in Afganistan, Iraq war, terrorist attacks, bailouts, torture, increased anti-American sentiment worldwide, etc. All very, very horrible. But far, far better than Tea Party false-astroturf-libertarianism, at any rate. And, it’s not as if the Tea Party actually has a **problem** with any of that, or even takes any real notice of it. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/22 "2013-02-05T07:16:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > All very, very horrible. > > But far, far better than Tea Party false-astroturf-libertarianism, at any rate. And, it’s not as if the Tea Party actually has a **problem** with any of that, or even takes any real notice of it. Bailouts, deficits, and housing bubble inflated by government wouldn’t happen under the tea party. That’s enough for me to choose the tea partiers over the RINOs. Rove’s gang are nothing but political opportunists peddling influence. I’ll take Reagan over Nixon any day. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/23 "2013-02-05T10:49:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Bailouts, deficits, and housing bubble inflated by government wouldn’t happen under the tea party. That’s enough for me to choose the tea partiers over the RINOs. Rove’s gang are nothing but political opportunists peddling influence. I’ll take Reagan over Nixon any day. Quite true. Of course we’d be a third world country, but that couldn’t possibly problematic could it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/24 "2013-02-05T12:10:45Z")
Hell, I’d take Reagan over Nixon any day, in much the same way as I’d take dysentery over smallpox. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/25 "2013-02-05T12:47:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > She won’t run. She’s more popular now (as is evidenced by that KY poll) than she’s ever been. If she runs for president, it’ll be the 90s all over again. She has a legacy to think about. I can remember sitting down one night and catching a bit of cable news in the 1990s. Not Fox. And they were on about Hillary Clinton having somebody murdered. At the time it was genuinely difficult to keep up with the endless “scandals” the liberal media were pushing about the Clintons but I felt on safe ground with this one and knew a bit about the Vince Foster case. But it turned out they were speculating about her ordering the murder of somebody else entirely. Add on the drug running stuff, the unbelievably stupid stuff like the White House Christmas tree and the sheer volume of stuff on the TV and even in papers like the NYT and WaPost throughoput the 90s and what more can they say? Whoever is Democratic nominee is oing to be smeared as a Communist America hater anyway. Hillary is bulletproof on this stuff, the only people the smears will appeal to hate her anyway and it’ll make moderates and undecideds, the people who decide elections, vote for her. If she stays healthy she’s guaranteed to run and guaranteed to win. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/26 "2013-02-05T12:48:35Z")
Here’s the latest: [http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/02/the\_empire\_strikes\_back\_part\_ii.php](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/02/the_empire_strikes_back_part_ii.php) ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/27 "2013-02-05T14:57:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I’m thinking that the raw power of money has faded. Money never had power. All the rest of us had to do is show up to vote. And we did. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/28 "2013-02-05T14:58:21Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > I can remember sitting down one night and catching a bit of cable news in the 1990s. Not Fox. And they were on about Hillary Clinton having somebody murdered. At the time it was genuinely difficult to keep up with the endless “scandals” the liberal media were pushing about the Clintons The LIBERAL media? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/29 "2013-02-05T15:01:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Depends on your definition of “their”. No, you’re wrong. It does not depend on the definition of “their,” because what you mean to say is something like “it depends on their antecedent to the somewhat ambiguous ‘their’ in that sentence, which could squint towards both ‘Tea Party’ and ‘Republican voters.’” Since you have used the incorrect terminology, every point you ever have made or ever will make is hereby invalidated. Just thought you’d enjoy being treated to a typical “John Mace”-style niggling correction. Have you ever considered changing your username to “invalidator”? It would go well with “elucidator.” Kind of a nice matched set. P.S. You can be grateful I didn’t light on your punctuation issues to invalidate your every word, thought, and deed. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/30 "2013-02-05T15:02:46Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I was just listening to right-wing talk-radio host Mark Levin, screaming about how the “corporatist” (i.e., moderate) Republicans (including Karl Rove) are the true enemy, and how they are undercutting the power of the “real” (Tea Party and rightwards) Republicans. > > It’s like watching the monster kicking Dr. Frankenstein’s ass. Or like listening to the Occupy movement. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/31 "2013-02-05T15:05:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I would think that looking to become (and likely be) the first woman to be president would enhance that legacy. I don’t think it’s as much of a lock as everyone thinks it is. It would be a long, torturous path, with no guarantees at the end. People love her now, she’s old. She won’t run. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/32 "2013-02-05T15:05:46Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Or like listening to the Occupy movement. Occupy was co-opted by day 2. Which was unsurprising. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/33 "2013-02-05T15:12:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t think it’s as much of a lock as everyone thinks it is. It would be a long, torturous path, with no guarantees at the end. People love her now, she’s old. She won’t run. Just this morning I read a list of misused words, and “torturous” was on it. The correct word is “tortuous.” I wouldn’t have posted this if it weren’t for reading about it just an hour ago. It was fate. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/34 "2013-02-05T15:58:53Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > The LIBERAL media? I’m being ironic. Nobody who saw what happened to the Clintons in the 1990s could ever think that the media is liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/35 "2013-02-05T16:01:14Z")
Also, too. Hillary doesn’t care about being loved. She cares about getting in the White House and jamming a big red, white and blue dildo up the arses of all the conservative/GOP pols/media/donors who made her life a misery in the 1990s. She’d have an eight year schadenfreudegasm. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/36 "2013-02-05T16:02:11Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > I’m being ironic. Nobody who saw what happened to the Clintons in the 1990s could ever think that the media is liberal. Okay. Whew. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/37 "2013-02-05T16:36:13Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Quite true. Of course we’d be a third world country, but that couldn’t possibly problematic could it? Yes a balanced budget, sound money, and free market capitalism are the telltale symptoms of a third world country. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/38 "2013-02-05T16:38:38Z")
Steve King is possibly the craziest non-Gohmert in Congress. What have the TP got against him? Farm subsidies? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/39 "2013-02-05T16:56:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes a balanced budget, sound money, and free market capitalism are the telltale symptoms of a third world country. Can you explain how the Tea Party will achieve that? So far they’ve suggested no way to balance the budget and make money sound except to stop paying our bills. As for free market capitalism, the US has always led the world in providing this, and the Tea Party has done nothing but complain about the regulations required to maintain that. If you consider Zimbabwe to have acheived the ideals you speak of, then we should definitely follow the incoherent political philosphy of the Tea Party. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337/40 "2013-02-05T17:08:24Z")
Here’s my guess, Tripolar. Gonna put it in a spoiler box to see if I’m correct with the reply: Balanced budget amendments, restoring the gold standard, and deregulation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-establishment-fears-the-monster-they-created/649337.md?page=3)