# GOP plan - Romney/Cain **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 19, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201 "2011-10-19T23:05:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/61 "2011-11-01T21:43:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > How many black votes do Republicans think Cain, running as the Republican vice presidential candidate, will draw away from Obama, running as the incumbent Democratic President? Even setting aside party affiliation and incumbency, any black voters who are voting along racial lines are probably going to vote for the ticket that has the black candidate on top. Well, OBma is not REALLY black. not the way Herman Cain is black. herman Cain is authentic black whiel Obama is elitist Kenyan socialist black. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/62 "2011-11-01T21:45:27Z")
> [@TV\_time](#): > > I think the GOP elite sees Obama weakening among blacks and even if Cain does not appreciably pull voters from that block, he may cause Obama to take time away from putting out other fires to address that group to ensure his winning that group. > > And as for the redneck core not accepting Cain, come on, they would vote for Satan himself to defeat Obama. They mostly think they are the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/63 "2011-11-01T21:49:38Z")
> [@Algorithm](#): > > You should probably look at how [blacks have historically voted](http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/) before assuming Obama will have a problem “winning that group”. > > Republican strategists, I am sure, have no illusions about pulling any substantial number of black votes away from the Democratic party in the 2012 election. The question with teh black vote is always “how many will vote” not “who will they vote for” If you’re a Republican, you can’t win their vote, you have to suppress it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/64 "2011-11-01T21:52:19Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Huntsman is a Mormon? Didn’t know that. > > Doesn’t mean jack to me. If he picked up Huntsman and actually campaigned on a PLAN that didn’t suck the tea party’s genitalia, than I might actually vote for him. I wouldn’t vote for them but I would not feel contempt for those who did and I wouldn’t feel despair if they won. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/65 "2011-11-01T21:57:23Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The basic fact that he _does_ know is that Huntsman is a Republican. The fact that he would consider voting for one of those is incomprehensible [del]to me[/del]. As someone who grew up in NYC and voted for more Republicans than Democrats in my lifetime, I think you are confusing Republicans with what passes for Republicans these days. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/66 "2011-11-01T22:01:00Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I don’t think that will happen after they’ve spend the primary season beating up on each other. Although that might be the ticket with the best hair in American history. > > I do think Rubio has the inside track. I thought about Bush too - he’s apparently popular with the Hispanic community - but I think the Bush name would probably be a drag on the ticket at this point. The potential VP list is a mile long. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/67 "2011-11-02T00:12:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > As someone who grew up in NYC and voted for more Republicans than Democrats in my lifetime, I think you are confusing Republicans with what passes for Republicans these days. I can’t imagine what planet you just flew in from, but on our world the only definition of “Republican” (as well as “Democrat”) stems from the current leaders of those parties and their current behavior. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/68 "2011-11-02T10:20:25Z")
Sorry, man. NYS has republicans that can vote for gay marriage. We’re still Rockefeller Republicans up here. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/69 "2011-11-02T13:34:30Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > It’s true, in 2000 Bush ran as a moderate. Remember “compassionate conservatism”? Being “a uniter, not a divider”? He managed to fool me, anyway. Yeah he fooled me too. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, well you can’t get fooled again. But to be fair, he didn’t run as a moderate in 2004. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/70 "2011-11-02T13:35:32Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Why? If the choice was “Stay home and let the socialist have at us for another 4 years” vs. “Hold your nose and get a Christian back into the Whitehouse” I’m sure they’d get a decent turnout. With a responsible ticket they might even steal enough of Obama’s default votes to make up for the super right freaks that sit at home and pout. I don’t know that these folks think Mormons are Christians. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/71 "2011-11-02T13:45:36Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I can’t imagine what planet you just flew in from, but on our world the only definition of “Republican” (as well as “Democrat”) stems from the current leaders of those parties and their current behavior. Because Huntsman isn’t necessarily the virulent form of Republican that we have seen take over the party over the last 20 or 30 years. There is a saying. Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas, Democrats think Republicans are bad people. Well, Republicans actually think they have a monopoly on good ideas. They have an almost religious conviction that their ideas are right and the other guys ideas are wrong that they are happy to cause more pain to get America to vote Republican so they can implement those ideas. I’ve heard Huntsman speak a few times and while he is a Republican, he has not signed the Grover Norquist tax pledge because he realizes that if he wants to get anywhere on entitlements, taxes have to be on the table. That fact alone makes him different than what passes for republicans these days. "And Huntsman told reporters Tuesday that he would not sign Norquist’s or any other pledge this year – on abortion, gay rights or any other topic. " ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/72 "2011-11-02T14:42:06Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is a saying. Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas, Democrats think Republicans are bad people. That may be a saying, but that doesn’t make it true. For the past several years the public political discourse has been the other way round. Democrats keep saying that Republicans have bad ideas, but Republicans keep accusing Democrats of being socialistic gay-loving Bible-bashing tree-hugging traitors. Again, reality is what the totality of people actually say, not your opinions about the way it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201/73 "2011-11-02T17:59:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is a saying. Republicans think Democrats have bad ideas, Democrats think Republicans are bad people. I think the people saying this are Republicans who want to make Democrats look bad. The reality based on how they actually behave seems to be that Republicans think Democrats are bad people who have bad ideas and there’s nothing that can be done to change this. All the Republicans can do is keep the Democrats out of power so their badness won’t hurt America. The main split in Republican ideology is between those who feel America includes the Democrats and they need to save Democrats from themselves and those who feel America excludes the Democrats and the Democrats should get what’s coming to them. The Democrats on the other hand think of themselves as good people with good ideas and they think the Republicans are just mistaken. They feel that all they need to do is show the Republicans how good their ideas are and the Republicans will realize their errors and agree with the Democrats. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-romney-cain/600201.md?page=3)