# GOP plan to appeal to millennials: “Make abortion funny” **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317 "2013-06-19T00:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/101 "2013-06-21T10:06:41Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > If your amazing 50-50 turns out to be true somehow\* I suspect he may be misunderstanding the estimate that approximately 50% of all pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion - AKA a miscarriage. Such misunderstandings, of course being why the term ‘spontaneous abortion’ is falling out of favour. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/102 "2013-06-21T13:42:34Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > It’s called personal responsibility, something liberals don’t understand. Sex has consequences; if you can’t stand the thought of being pregnant, keep your legs closed, as sex is the only way to conceive (IVF notwithstanding, of course. So simple, it hurts. And OMG brings out the comedy gold. The GOP should hire him to lead this effort. I’m sure it will be a big success. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/103 "2013-06-21T16:49:04Z")
OMG? A Mister Darwin for you on line one. He has your clue… ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/104 "2013-06-21T17:20:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you actually know any liberals? You don’t seem to know how actual liberal humans think… as a liberal human, I’d be happy to help, if you’re interested. Post #88. Guess you’ve yet to read it. Of course, that really isn’t anything out of the ordinary with liberals, who also argue that [all lives are not equal](http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/so_what_if_abortion_ends_life/). And some even argue that there are too few abortions (I’ll try to find the exact article when I can). So the question is, how many liberals do **YOU** know? Because you sure as hell don’t seem to know any. > [@](#): > > See above. Since young people have always been having lots of sex, and always will, and we have the ability to reduce the negative consequences, we should. In much the same vein, I propose that in order to reduce poverty, society kills those who would otherwise live in poverty. > [@](#): > > Also, liberals in general don’t think of most sex as sinful and dirty. They also seem to be unaware that sometimes, it results in babies, either. > [@](#): > > And, of course, the liberals who think like me about abortion believe that government should not infringe on the bodily autonomy of individuals to expel things from their bodies that they don’t want inside them. This is such a bullshit argument. Has been and always will be. The government will and does infringe on bodily autonomy on a daily basis in order to prevent you from bringing harm to another. It’s like liberals only bring up the bodily autonomy contention when it comes to abortion, and then throw it out when not speaking of abortion. > [@](#): > > Ok, I’ll go on record and say that I oppose post-birth abortions. Unless one person has entered another, and the second person wants the first person out- then the second person can abort the first. Please. That’s a meaningless distinction-- especially considering the fact that women usually have abortions **completely unrelated** to the fact that it’s her body, but rather to the fact that she just doesn’t want to be a mother. In fact-- and this is the problem-- in order to justify abortion, you have to define the unborn in a way which not only would define them out of rights pre-natally, but post-natally as well. There are, to their credit, quite a few left-leaning ethicists who recognize this fact and will readily admit that the criteria by which you define the unborn out of rights apply to neonates ([here](http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411.full) is one such article), but once you reach that point, the majority of liberals will abandon their argument. Or, I should say, half apply it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/105 "2013-06-21T17:31:54Z")
**OMG** , what do you think about the Republicans trying to find the funny when it comes to abortion? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/106 "2013-06-21T17:49:23Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Post #88. Guess you’ve yet to read it. Of course, that really isn’t anything out of the ordinary with liberals, who also argue that [all lives are not equal](http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/so_what_if_abortion_ends_life/). And some even argue that there are too few abortions (I’ll try to find the exact article when I can). > > So the question is, how many liberals do **YOU** know? Because you sure as hell don’t seem to know any. Just ask- I’d be happy to teach you how a real liberal (myself) actually thinks. It’s ok. > [@](#): > > In much the same vein, I propose that in order to reduce poverty, society kills those who would otherwise live in poverty. I think this would be a bad idea. I am against this. > [@](#): > > They also seem to be unaware that sometimes, it results in babies, either. No, we just believe that it should be made as easy as possible for women to control their pregnancies. There are still barriers for many women to acquiring birth control. > [@](#): > > This is such a bullshit argument. Has been and always will be. The government will and does infringe on bodily autonomy on a daily basis in order to prevent you from bringing harm to another. No it doesn’t, at least not for the definition of bodily autonomy I’m using, which is that anyone (of sound mind, blah blah) has the right to expel something from their body if they don’t want it there, for any reason at all. > [@](#): > > It’s like liberals only bring up the bodily autonomy contention when it comes to abortion, and then throw it out when not speaking of abortion. You mean like conservatives only bring up concern for women, babies, and poor people when it comes to abortion? Or is your statement a bullshit argument (and, not incidentally, just false)? > [@](#): > > Please. That’s a meaningless distinction-- especially considering the fact that women usually have abortions **completely unrelated** to the fact that it’s her body, but rather to the fact that she just doesn’t want to be a mother. In fact-- and this is the problem-- in order to justify abortion, you have to define the unborn in a way which not only would define them out of rights pre-natally, but post-natally as well. Any definition of life, babies, or the unborn is irrelevant to my position on abortion. Anyone can expel anything from their bodies that they don’t want there, period. That’s all there is to it. Born, unborn, everyone has this right. If you wake up with something (or someone) in your body that you want out, I imagine that you would be upset if the government said that you are not allowed to get it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/107 "2013-06-21T17:54:06Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Sex has consequences; if you can’t stand the thought of being pregnant, keep your legs closed, as sex is the only way to conceive (IVF notwithstanding, of course. If the Republicans’ choices are “make abortion funny” and _this_, I can see why they’re going with comedy. > [@](#): > > Oh? You mean you’ve never heard the claim that, say, Western Europe has a lower abortion rate than the U.S. because of their liberal policies on abortion (which, actually, are more conservative than the U.S.) and that Republican policies cause there to be more abortions? No. I know the U.S. teen pregnancy rate is higher than it should be and it’s generally higher in conservative states, but I’ve never heard this line of argument. I’ll add that I don’t care very much what the abortion rate is. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/108 "2013-06-21T18:29:07Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > It’s funny how no Democrat has the balls (or ovaries) to go on TV and say this. And why would they? They’d instantly lose millions of voters, which is why they instead hide behind euphemisms like “women’s rights” or “reproductive freedom” or whatever other term they’re using now. But it’s nothing most of us pro-lifers already know, so that’s that. Its funny because you are so narrow-minded you cannot conceive of a party that’s not homogenous in its beliefs? I’m actually the outlier. There are Democrats who are pro-life, and there are ones, the majority actually, who do think we should reduce abortions because they consider it a big deal. I’m sure when you’re picketing the funerals of gay soldiers on a Sunday morning, one of your fellow Westboro Baptist Church members will tell you that they’ve got an abortion clinic protest lined up in the afternoon. Thank you, though, for thinking I speak for all Democrats. I couldn’t if I wanted to, but I’m happy you acknowledge that I seem to matter more than you do 😉 I think to the conservative brain, they are just so confused and befuddled with facts and figures and reality that their automatic defense is to just shift into myopia mode and see the world as black and white without any nuance whatsoever. It wouldn’t occur to this hypothetical conservative that Democrats actually believe in the health of the mother, or reproductive rights, or privacy because to this conservative, fetuses are like a shining beacon drawing all their limited attention that they can’t focus on anything else. I’m not going to bother to dissuade you, I’m only going to laugh at your impotent conclusions. The more hyperbole you engage in, the less people that will vote Republican. So I encourage you to stamp your feet all you want about us Democrats, we’ll be laughing all the way to the Oval Office > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > As a side note, I’m always amused by the fact that people who are in no danger of being aborted somehow resort to the “Well, it wouldn’t faze me if I found out I was!” line. Well, ugh… No shit, considering you’re born. If you were in danger of having your brains sucked out, your lungs collapsed or your body dismembered, your tune wouldn’t be quite the same as it is now. My tune would be exactly the same. Death is not a bad thing. If I were killed before I was born, its no loss. I’m all for sucking out brains with a vacuum. Hell, I support any trimester abortion AND support the last ditch failsafe of birthing a kid and eliminating it right afterwards. Not like the kid will know so nobody’s harmed ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/109 "2013-06-21T18:29:18Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > They also seem to be unaware that sometimes, it results in babies, either. I wonder why. [GOP platform lies about abstinence](http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/08/29/764771/gop-platform-lies-about-abstinence-educations-effectiveness/) [Arkansas Republicans Vote To Eliminate Sex Ed Program In Public High Schools](http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/10/1844321/arkansas-planned-parenthood-sex-ed/) [Republicans continue fights against bullying, sex ed bills](http://www.bluenc.com/republicans-continue-fights-against-bullying-sex-ed-bills) [Lively fight waged against sex ed bill](http://www.ednewscolorado.org/news/lively-fight-waged-against-sex-ed-bill) \*\* \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/110 "2013-06-21T18:34:22Z")
Ah, yes, the “just tell young people not to have sex; if they’re good people, they won’t, and if they do, they were sluts who deserve to be punished with a kid, but don’t let them abort or give them any resources to help them raise the child because they deserve it” approach. I’m skeptical that it works out. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/111 "2013-06-21T18:46:51Z")
Its tough enough to be a good parent when you _want_ to be a parent. Forcing parenthood on the unwilling and then insisting they do a good job of it is like making someone swim laps in the pool while carrying a bowling ball. Like a lot of folks I have a visceral negative reaction to the concept of abortion. When I consider the alternatives, I get over it in a big ass hurry. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/112 "2013-06-21T19:58:02Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > I suspect he may be misunderstanding the estimate that approximately 50% of all pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion - AKA a miscarriage. 😕 Really? It must be that that happens early in the first trimester, usually before the woman even knows she’s pregnant, yes? Otherwise one would hear the word “miscarriage” much, much more often. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/113 "2013-06-21T20:28:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 Really? It must be that that happens early in the first trimester, usually before the woman even knows she’s pregnant, yes? Otherwise one would hear the word “miscarriage” much, much more often. Usually that is how it goes, but also, many women do not discuss their early miscarriages. So, just because you don’t hear about them, doesn’t mean they don’t occur. ---
**Author:** ![TheSeaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed655f/32.png) [@TheSeaOtter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheSeaOtter)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/114 "2013-06-21T21:23:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Usually I hear the claim that Western Europe has a lower abortion rate because they have comprehensive sex education and more readily available birth control instead of assuming that even uttering the word “sex” in the presence of teens will magically cause them to go hump like rabbits. Say rather that they’ve worked out that teenagers are going to go hump like rabbits whether you say anything to them or not. So that I’m not completely off topic… the quoted Republicans are obviously out of their gourds. I’m not saying you can’t make jokes about abortion. I think it’s pretty clear that you can make jokes _about_ anything you want, and they’ll probably even be funny, to some people, sometimes, if only in the ‘I hate myself for finding this funny’ sort of way. The problem comes when you want to make a joke that argues for a particular point of view. I don’t think that’s always going to be possible. In particular, it seems really unlikely that there are anti-abortion jokes. I can’t think of any ‘pro-choice’ jokes, either. ---
**Author:** ![Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/115 "2013-06-21T22:21:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 Really? It must be that that happens early in the first trimester, usually before the woman even knows she’s pregnant, yes? Otherwise one would hear the word “miscarriage” much, much more often. Yeah, often the woman won’t even know because the embryo is still tiny when it “dies” (more accurately, fails to continue living). That’s the logic behind the “Don’t tell everyone until you’re out of the first trimester” advice. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/116 "2013-06-22T00:56:18Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > For a moment there, I thought this thread was about abortion. You were wrong. It was not “about” abortion and you and everyone else who has hijacked it to be about abortion can just quit, now, and go open a new thread on that topic. That goes for everyone. The topic was a consideration of some portion of the GOP trying to persuade Millennials to their viewpoint. Abortion was just the trigger issue, but fighting over abortion was not the point of this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/117 "2013-06-22T05:19:14Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Its funny because you are so narrow-minded you cannot conceive of a party that’s not homogenous in its beliefs? Learn to read. I didn’t say anything about Democrats being homogenous in their beliefs, and I’ve absolutely-- _LOVE_– to see you quote me stating as much. What I said, quite plainly, is that no Democrat has the balls, nor ovaries, to go on TV and actually say what you did, even though there are more than just a “handful” of Democrats who actually believe this. But since we’re on this topic, then I’d like to point out the absolute irony in your post, considering how much time Democrats spent, and still spend, trying to paint every last conservative/Republican as believing the exact same thing based on what, say, Akin said. Guess that must make Democrats narrow minded, right? …Right? Right??? No, of course, not. You’d never, ever, ever concede that. Why? Because somehow, someway, that’s different. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > I’m actually the outlier. Cite? > [@](#): > > There are Democrats who are pro-life… Thank you for pointing out the obvious and a point never contested. > [@](#): > > …and there are ones, the majority actually, who do think we should reduce abortions because they consider it a big deal. Cite? > [@](#): > > I’m sure when you’re picketing the funerals of gay soldiers on a Sunday morning, one of your fellow Westboro Baptist Church members will tell you that they’ve got an abortion clinic protest lined up in the afternoon. I’ll be asleep. But tell how it goes, okay? > [@](#): > > Thank you, though, for thinking I speak for all Democrats. I couldn’t if I wanted to, but I’m happy you acknowledge that I seem to matter more than you do 😉 Amazing how you probably wasted thirty minutes thinking up a response to something I never said. > [@](#): > > I think to the conservative brain, they are just so confused and befuddled with facts and figures and reality that their automatic defense is to just shift into myopia mode and see the world as black and white without any nuance whatsoever. Since we’re going down this route, then I guess it’s only fair that I point out that [not only do conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives, conservatives understand conservatives better than liberals understand liberals](http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/articles/manuscripts/graham.nosek.submitted.moral-stereotypes-of-libs-and-cons.pub601.pdf). > [@](#): > > Our results go beyond previous studies, however, in finding and explaining an otherwise puzzling result: liberals were the least accurate. We presented three competing hypotheses about accuracy: > > 1.) We found no support for the hypothesis that liberals would be most accurate; liberals were the least accurate about conservatives and about liberals. The largest inaccuracies were in liberals’ underestimations of conservatives’ Harm and Fairness concerns, and liberals further exaggerated the political differences by overestimating their own such concerns. > > 2.) We found some support for the hypothesis that moderates would be most accurate, which they were in the case of the binding foundations. However, and most crucially, partisan inaccuracies were not mirror images of each other (in which case the red and blue lines in Figure 2 would have opposite slopes). On the contrary, liberals and conservatives both tended to exaggerate their > binding foundation differences by underestimating the typical liberal and overestimating the typical conservative. > > 3.) Finally, we found some support for the hypothesis that conservatives > would be the most accurate, which they were in the case of the individualizing foundations. In line with Moral Foundations Theory, liberals dramatically underestimated the Harm and Fairness concerns of conservatives. These findings add to the literature on moral foundations by demonstrating a novel form of pragmatic validity (Graham et al., 2011) for the theory: conceptualizing and measuring the moral stereotypes people have of different social groups. 🙂 But moving on. > [@](#): > > It wouldn’t occur to this hypothetical conservative that Democrats actually believe in the health of the mother, or reproductive rights, or privacy because to this conservative, fetuses are like a shining beacon drawing all their limited attention that they can’t focus on anything else. Oh, they do, do they? Somehow, between ignoring abortion related deaths of women in the U.S. (yeah, odd story of the women overseas who dies because she can’t get an abortion gets 10x as much coverage as the woman in the U.S. who dies because of a botched abortion), advocating for soda bans, smoking bans and food bans, I could see how some could conclude that Democrats don’t really care about any of the above. > [@](#): > > I’m not going to bother to dissuade you, I’m only going to laugh at your impotent conclusions. The more hyperbole you engage in, the less people that will vote Republican. What hyperbole? Find one I made in this thread. Not liking something doesn’t make it hyperbole, especially when it can be sourced. So, please, humor me. > [@](#): > > So I encourage you to stamp your feet all you want about us Democrats, we’ll be laughing all the way to the Oval Office. Considering Democrats are a collection of monolithic, ill-informed voters, I just shake my head and laugh at the people who vote Democrat, but then complain about the results of that decision later. Well, that and maybe get a little bit of joy inside. > [@](#): > > My tune would be exactly the same. Death is not a bad thing. If death is not a bad thing, then explain to me why the law generally levies the maximum punishment on those who cause the death of others? > [@](#): > > If I were killed before I was born, its no loss. I’m all for sucking out brains with a vacuum. Hell, I support any trimester abortion AND support the last ditch failsafe of birthing a kid and eliminating it right afterwards. Not like the kid will know so nobody’s harmed No one knows they’re dead when they’re dead, on account of being dead. Now explain to me why I shouldn’t be able to kill you, considering how you wouldn’t be able to protest afterwards, nor would you care? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/118 "2013-06-22T05:44:10Z")
Uh, that study you linked refers to moral concerns, **It does not say much if there are facts or science behind those concerns** , only that liberals are more likely to get it wrong regarding the levels of harm and fairness that conservatives have. The way they see it, it actually shows that you are not going to get much traction among conservatives regarding your efforts here of making their concerns to be more different than the what the liberals have. The conclusion of the paper is that the tendency is for partisans to exaggerate the moral concerns. Now, if we are talking about science, the reality is that I have seen many subjects that conservatives are not aware of the woo levels their \*\*\*own \*\*\*representatives really do have. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/119 "2013-06-22T12:56:49Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Considering Democrats are a collection of monolithic, ill-informed voters Coming from a supporter of the party of creationism, at least you’re sticking to the comedy theme of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317/120 "2013-06-22T13:34:25Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You were wrong. > > It was not “about” abortion and you and everyone else who has hijacked it to be about abortion can just quit, now, and go open a new thread on that topic. > > That goes for everyone. > > The topic was a consideration of some portion of the GOP trying to persuade Millennials to their viewpoint. Abortion was just the trigger issue, but fighting over abortion was not the point of this thread. > > [/Moderating] Thank you. I guess abortion is one of those hot button issues that can end up dominating a conversation even when it’s used only as an example. I was thinking about a couple of things when I posted this. First, how political parties tend to concentrate on spin rather than trying to gauge what the people want and adapting to that (Republicans are especially guilty of this, IMHO, but I won’t claim total innocence for Democrats). Second, just how bad Republicans seem to be at doing this. Just look at the statement in my quote in the OP: “Unfortunately we have to, because this is the generation that we’ve been dealt”. This is patronizing, insulting, and _clueless_, and I say that as someone who is far removed from the generation being discussed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-plan-to-appeal-to-millennials-make-abortion-funny/661317.md?page=7)