# GOP Strategy to Stop Obama's Executive Amnesty Emerging **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 18, 2014, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016 "2014-11-18T23:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/1 "2014-11-18T23:50:29Z")
> **[GOP Strategy to Stop Obama's Executive Amnesty Emerging](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/11/17/gop-strategy-to-stop-obama-s-executive-amnesty-in-government-funding-bills-emerging/)** > > A clearer picture of the strategy Republicans in both the House and the Senate will use to stop President Barack Obama’s planned executive amnesty in | If I understand this correctly, this actually sounds doable - if Republicans can get their stuff together to actually follow through on this strategy, and pass several (many?) funding bills for separate departments instead of one big one. Since this is budget-related, they will only need 51 votes in the Senate, and they can put on Obama’s desk quite a few funding bills that he cannot object to, and would damage himself and Democrats vetoing. Then, one of the bills would have funding for the part of the government that would implement the Obama’s immigration executive order and it would have the wording thwarting the implementation. He can veto it - but that would not be “government shutdown”. It would just shut down that part of the government and would clearly be his to own. Seems like a good strategy. Anyone think it will happen? Will Republicans finally be smart enough to do something right? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/2 "2014-11-18T23:53:41Z")
I think the Republicans would rather Obama do it, so they can complain about it. I don’t think they ave any real objection to the merits of Obama’s plan, and I doubt they see any upside in a complicated scheme to prevent it from happening. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/3 "2014-11-19T00:00:23Z")
Seriously, breitbart for a cite? Republicans don’t give a damn if Obama does this, they just know it drives their racist base bananas so they keep whipping the rubes into a frenzy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/4 "2014-11-19T00:01:48Z")
I doubt Republican leadership has enough control over the nuts that make up half their caucus to actually make such a scheme happen. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/5 "2014-11-19T00:17:14Z")
When do we get to see the Republican alternative immigration bill? Do they have to finish work on their affordable health care bill first? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/6 "2014-11-19T00:18:13Z")
In fact, I think Obama’s new EPA regulations can be thwarted the same way. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/7 "2014-11-19T00:23:42Z")
OK then, when can we expect the Republican alternative environmental bill? Oh, right, Keystone. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/8 "2014-11-19T00:23:57Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In fact, I think Obama’s new EPA regulations can be thwarted the same way. And this is obviously a good idea because global warming is a hoax, right? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/9 "2014-11-19T00:27:29Z")
Note that I didn’t ask whether it is a good idea to thwart Obama’s executive orders - it’s pretty obvious what each poster’s opinion is on that even before he/she posts. I wanted to discuss whether the strategy is workable at all, and if so, if Republicans are capable of executing it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/10 "2014-11-19T00:29:13Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In fact, I think Obama’s new EPA regulations can be thwarted the same way. I’m glad the people you vote for have all their ducks in a row to cause needless suffering and misery. Also, the idea that the GOP puts a poison pill in some funding bill and Obama gets the blame is pretty stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/11 "2014-11-19T00:30:40Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m glad the people you vote for have all their ducks in a row to cause needless suffering and misery. > > Also, the idea that the GOP puts a poison pill in some funding bill and Obama gets the blame is pretty stupid. The blame may be shared, or even fall fully on Republicans, but it will not be a “government shutdown”, or anything even resembling it. At most, it will defund EPA for a while, for example. Until Obama sees the light. It’s definitely worth it to stop the Presidential overreach. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/12 "2014-11-19T00:33:37Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Note that I didn’t ask whether it is a good idea to thwart Obama’s executive orders - it’s pretty obvious what each poster’s opinion is on that even before he/she posts. Including the one who posted this: > [@](#): > > Will Republicans finally be smart enough to do something right? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/13 "2014-11-19T00:35:17Z")
Obama might not have much to lose by vetoing each bill, if the GOP is able to get this together. He might be able to successfully argue that the government has never been funded this way, and it’s just a dumb trick. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/14 "2014-11-19T00:37:03Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obama might not have much to lose by vetoing each bill, if the GOP is able to get this together. He might be able to successfully argue that the government has never been funded this way, and it’s just a dumb trick. I think it will be very damaging to Obama and to Democrats to veto bills in which they cannot point to anything objectionable. “Obama vetoed my food stamps because he didn’t like the way Republicans passed the bill!”. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/15 "2014-11-19T00:45:55Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I think it will be very damaging to Obama and to Democrats to veto bills in which they cannot point to anything objectionable. If it’s unprecedented, that can easily be pointed to as objectionable. > [@](#): > > “Obama vetoed my food stamps because he didn’t like the way Republicans passed the bill!”. Good luck with that. What are they gonna do? Vote Republican? Not turn out again? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/16 "2014-11-19T01:00:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Seriously, breitbart for a cite? The well gets poisoned by the choice of the word “amnesty” in the thread title. Why would you be surprised that someone who would do _that_ would also utilize breitbart as a source? > [@Terr](#): > > Will Republicans finally be smart enough to do something right? I assure you, when Republicans do something right\*, it’s entirely by accident. “Smart” has nothing to do with it. \*I wish to make it clear that there is a definite distinction to be made between “right” and “beneficial to the GOP.” They’re practically non-intersecting sets. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/17 "2014-11-19T02:23:40Z")
I agree with a pundit (can’t remember who) that I heard over the weekend-- whenever the government is shut down, by whatever means, people blame Congress, not the president. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/18 "2014-11-19T03:03:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I agree with a pundit (can’t remember who) that I heard over the weekend-- whenever the government is shut down, by whatever means, people blame Congress, not the president. In the strategy described in the OP, it would be unmistakeably Obama shutting down government, department by department, by vetoing bills in which he could point to nothing objectionable - if he decided to veto them. Or, if he decided to veto just the one, it would not be a “government shutdown”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/19 "2014-11-19T03:16:28Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I wanted to discuss whether the strategy is workable at all, and if so, if Republicans are capable of executing it. Ok. No, it is not a workable strategy, largely because Republicans are incapable of executing it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2014, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/20 "2014-11-19T03:53:48Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In the strategy described in the OP, it would be unmistakeably Obama shutting down government, department by department, by vetoing bills in which he could point to nothing objectionable - if he decided to veto them. Or, if he decided to veto just the one, it would not be a “government shutdown”. You overestimate the analytical ability of most Americans. They don’t follow all the ins and out like you do. All they know is that the government was shut down. Who shuts down the government? Congress. They don’t sit around the dinner table like some political Seder asking: Why is this shutdown different from every other shutdown? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016.md?page=2)