# GOP Strategy to Stop Obama's Executive Amnesty Emerging **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 18, 2014, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016 "2014-11-18T23:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/81 "2014-11-21T16:05:20Z")
Does he have to? His employer will most likely counsel him not to. I don’t know if that is a requirement or not. Pretty good guess that the employers will oppose any such stipulation. You know, the “job creators”. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/82 "2014-11-21T16:08:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > In your haste to enlighten and advise, you neglected to include your citation. > **[NBC/WSJ Poll: Nearly Half Oppose Executive Action on Immigration](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-reform/nbc-wsj-poll-nearly-half-oppose-executive-action-immigration-n251631)** > > Forty-eight percent oppose Obama taking executive action on immigration, while 38 percent support it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/83 "2014-11-21T16:16:01Z")
> [@](#): > > …The new NBC/WSJ poll also finds a majority of Americans (57 percent) favoring a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and that increases to 74 percent when respondents are told that such a pathway requires paying fines and back taxes, as well as passing a security background check… Miss this part? Didn’t mention, so I was kinda curious. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/84 "2014-11-21T16:17:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Miss this part? Didn’t mention, so I was kinda curious. I didn’t “miss this part”. That was irrelevant to my post or to the post to which I was responding. I pointed out that 48% object to the executive order. Did you miss that part? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/85 "2014-11-21T16:22:21Z")
I’m interested to see how those polling numbers change after the President’s speech. He made some very clear points about what the limitations are going to be, and what _his_ limitations as executive are going to be. I would be shocked if that didn’t allay a lot of voters’ concerns about the EO. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/86 "2014-11-21T16:46:50Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m interested to see how those polling numbers change after the President’s speech. He made some very clear points about what the limitations are going to be, and what _his_ limitations as executive are going to be. I would be shocked if that didn’t allay a lot of voters’ concerns about the EO. The standard plaintive cry. “If only those stupid sheeple knew the facts, they would support us”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/87 "2014-11-21T16:47:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The standard plaintive cry. “If only those stupid sheeple knew the facts, they would support us”. Connection between your post and the one you quoted: zero. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/88 "2014-11-21T16:53:47Z")
Support what? A more sensible and compassionate approach to the problem? They already do, as your cite shows. As far as doing it by executive action, they are right, it should not have been necessary. Who’s fault is that? Obama made his move, now Congress will act? Good. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/89 "2014-11-21T16:55:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As far as doing it by executive action, they are right, it should not have been necessary. The 48% oppose the “executive action”. They don’t say “it should not have been necessary”. They oppose it. Do you know the difference? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/90 "2014-11-21T17:01:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The standard plaintive cry. “If only those stupid sheeple knew the facts, they would support us”. Wow. I’m not seeing anything plaintive in my post, nor indeed anything implying that voters are stupid or “sheeple.” I think you’re reading something into my words that I very much did not intend. What, specifically, did I say to warrant your response? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/91 "2014-11-21T17:06:57Z")
> [@](#): > > …Do you know the difference? It either matters, or it doesn’t. Does it? Kinda like the number of people who oppose the ACA, without noting the number of people who oppose it because they want more “socialized medicine” rather than less. Factually correct without being needlessly informative. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/92 "2014-11-21T17:18:26Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The 48% oppose the “executive action”. They don’t say “it should not have been necessary”. They oppose it. Do you know the difference? But **Terr** , you don’t understand - once Obama explains why he lied and broke his promises, his policies will become popular. After all, isn’t that how it worked with Obamacare - the minute Obama communicated clearly about his lies and broken promises, the program became almost universally beloved and the Democrats really cleaned up in the midterms! Same here, no doubt. He will give a speech detailing how [list=a][li]he was lying when he said it would be inappropriate and illegal for him to do what he’s doing, OR [/li][li]admitting that it is still illegal and inappropriate, but necessary. Because the Dems lost the mid-terms.[/list][/li]Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/93 "2014-11-21T17:26:16Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Getting closer. How can Obama unilaterally have them work **legally** in the country? > But you actually raise an interesting point. An illegal immigrant comes forward for amnesty and said he’s been working at Cad’s Diner. Does the employer have amnesty from hiring an illegal immigrant? Anyone in a status of “deferred deportation” can apply for a work permit under laws passed by congress. Can the president legally say “There are 11 million illegal immigrants but my budget is only sufficient to deport about 400K per year. I’m going to defer deportation for three years for those with a family member with legal status and focus on those without a family tie and/or those with criminal records”? The Obama administration thinks they can make that prioritization decision. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/94 "2014-11-21T17:51:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The 48% oppose the “executive action”. They don’t say “it should not have been necessary”. They oppose it. Do you know the difference? The stats I see are 55%-60% of Americans favor immigration reform/amnesty/whatever as long as it includes a plan that prevents future illegal immigration. Since Obama’s plan has nothing in place to prevent illegal crossings, I wonder how many of those 48% would favor the plan IF it involve stemming the flow so that this will not be necessary in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/95 "2014-11-21T17:56:11Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Since Obama’s plan has nothing in place to prevent illegal crossings… Bzzzzt. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/96 "2014-11-21T17:58:14Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > The stats I see are 55%-60% of Americans favor immigration reform/amnesty/whatever as long as it includes a plan that prevents future illegal immigration. Since Obama’s plan has nothing in place to prevent illegal crossings, I wonder how many of those 48% would favor the plan IF it involve stemming the flow so that this will not be necessary in the future. That’s a great example of what I was trying to get at. So the President said this: > [@POTUS](#): > > First, we’ll build on our progress at the border with additional resources for our law enforcement personnel so that they can stem the flow of illegal crossings and speed the return of those who do cross over. Obviously this will not _prevent_ illegal border crossings, but AFAIK the President has always supported–or at least accepted–increased border enforcement as a condition for immigration reform. Given that he says his EO _will_ indeed include at least additional funding for border enforcement, I would absolutely expect the polling numbers to change. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/97 "2014-11-21T18:32:47Z")
OK I missed that. Like I said, the websites I was looking at focused on the work status thingy. To follow up, what is Obama’s plan for border control? More patrols? Drones? Piranha’s in the American Canal? Because what I have seen from Obama\* has been: 1. We will develop a comprehensive plan to do \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ . 2. 3. Profit. - In the spirit of non-partisanship, this was also Bush’s plan for withdrawing troops from Iraq/Pakistan. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/98 "2014-11-21T18:33:26Z")
> [@tim-n-va](#): > > Anyone in a status of “deferred deportation” can apply for a work permit under laws passed by congress. Can you cite the statute? ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/99 "2014-11-21T19:21:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Can you cite the statute? Take a look at the top of page 4 of the [instructions for the Form I-765](http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-765instr.pdf), Application for Employment Authorization. It provides the section of law under which people granted deferred action can apply for work authorization. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016/100 "2014-11-21T19:28:47Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > Take a look at the top of page 4 of the [instructions for the Form I-765](http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-765instr.pdf), Application for Employment Authorization. It provides the section of law under which people granted deferred action can apply for work authorization. Looked at the top of page 4. Don’t see anything like that. Can you post which section of which law applies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gop-strategy-to-stop-obamas-executive-amnesty-emerging/705016.md?page=6)