# Gore Bashing! Step right up! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2000, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911 "2000-09-28T19:18:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2000, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/61 "2000-09-30T15:31:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\ ***Anth** , I’m sorry. It’s just when I see expressions like “Clinton liberalism” my hackles do pushups. > > I saw: > > > [@](#): > > > > the 1990’s “in your face, just keep lying . . .” sort of liberalism of the Clinton years, > > and inferred that the only kind of liberalism is the kind bent on lies (which I believe to be false), that the type of lying is exclusive to the Clinton administration (which I believe to be false), that it’s exclusive to the years Clinton has been in office (which I believe to be false), and that it’s exclusive to the left (which I believe to be false). > > I realize you didn’t mean to imply all of that. > > I’m not sure I’d agree that liberals were more honest as a whole before the 90’s. Remember, there’s a lot of ground between Carter (too honest for his own good) and Willy. Fritz Mondale was not exactly a paragon, nor were Gary Hart, Dick Gephhardt, Joe “not Niell Kinnock” Biden, or, well, Al Gore. And I think Carter may well have been an exception. Kennedy was hardly honest with the American people. > > Of course that’s discussing politicians who are vaguely left of their colleagues, and not really liberals for the most part. I would be willing to argue that Clinton is not much of a liberal at all, but that’s another thread. > > Anyhoo, I’m sorry for being snippy with you. \*\* Well, given my hatred of Clinton and his policies, including my frequent references to the “Klinton Reign of Terror”, your reaction is understandable to some extent. Although I was not here then (or **here** was not here then 🙂 ) I had similar, scathing criticisms about Bush and the Bush Administration. I think you might include Lyndon Johnson as a more respectable politician as well, yes? And I didn’t mind Gore’s running mate so much until I started hearing “God” in every second sentence he spoke… ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2000, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/62 "2000-10-01T02:39:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Flymaster \* > \*\*Anthracite: you have to realize that there is a major difference between YOU using it and the vast majority of the public using it. He sponsored MANY bills that allowed the net to gain the popularity that it now enjoys. \*\* Similarly, Henry Ford took initiative in inventing the automobile. And now, my favorite Al-ism: “How could (Y2K) be a problem in a country where we have Intel and Microsoft?” Asked and answered. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2000, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/63 "2000-10-01T02:51:04Z")
Henry Ford DID take initiative in **creating** the auto, albeit to a much greater level than Gore did in **creating** the internet. And Y2k **wasn’t** a significant problem, although MS and intel really didn’t have much to do with it. I guess I just don’t see who’s side you’re on. Also, on a side note, I’d like to point out that they didn’t even attribute his 'net line to the right show. He said that to Wolf Blitzer, not Katie Couric. If you’re gonna misquote someone out of context, at least attribute it correctly. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2000, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/64 "2000-10-01T03:49:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Flymaster \* > \*\*Henry Ford DID take initiative in **creating** the auto, albeit to a much greater level than Gore did in **creating** the internet. Ford may have applied the assembly line concept to auto construction, and his new business created new designs for cars, surely with worthy improvements. He didn’t create the idea of an internal combustion engine sitting on top of four wheels, used for personal transportation. Whatever he may or may not have done **for** the Internet, Al Gore didn’t come up with, or even help come up with, the idea **of** the Internet; he should have chosen his words with greater care. Did he help spread the use of the Internet, or the popularization of it? Maybe - I haven’t read the bills previously mentioned, so I can’t really comment. But if that’s his claim, then he should say so. > [@](#): > > And Y2k **wasn’t** a significant problem, although MS and intel really didn’t have much to do with it. Hm. Lots of money and time spent on solving something that wasn’t a problem… (I’d go on to mention how I didn’t have to do anything to any Mac at all to prepare for Y2K, whereas every PC I dealt with at work had to have multiple tests, downloads and upgrades, but I don’t think even the Pit could handle a thread with both politics and PC platform wars! Sorry I brought it up 😛 ) ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2000, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/65 "2000-10-01T04:00:07Z")
Well, my circa 1994 win95A box (never upgraded after August 14, 1995 install) didn’t need any updates, nor did my Feb99 and June99 Win98 boxen, or either of my friends August 99 Win98SE machines. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/66 "2000-10-02T02:55:37Z")
Not only he invented the Internet, Al Gore wants to jump on the Napster bandwagon, saying that democracy is like using the [application.](http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2634692,00.html) A blatant play from Clinton’s book. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/67 "2000-10-02T03:32:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capacitor \* > \*\*Not only he invented the Internet, Al Gore wants to jump on the Napster bandwagon, saying that democracy is like using the [application.](http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2634692,00.html) A blatant play from Clinton’s book. \*\* Well, besides the fact that we’ve done a fairly good job in this thread in debunking the claim that Gore claimed to have “invented” the internet, what’s so wrong about a VP agreeing with the president? ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/68 "2000-10-02T03:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Al Gore wants to jump on the Napster bandwagon, saying that democracy is like using the application. Democracy = theft? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/69 "2000-10-02T16:00:06Z")
> [@](#): > > It may not be nice, but looks like I did it anyway. > > A firm fuck you to you, sir. Well, you’re not the first, won’t be the last. But I _am_ shocked that you can come up with a ‘firm’ one! BTW Flymasterbator, did you still not notice the thread title/intent? It’s Gore Bashing, not a debate about the virtues of Al. Do you have any contributions to make or is Al absolutely angelic? Please, let’s see if you have any real knowledge or you’re just following a script written by the DNC. C’mon, one bad thing about Al. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/70 "2000-10-02T18:00:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tradesilicon \* > \*\*BTW Flymasterbator, did you still not notice the thread title/intent? It’s Gore Bashing, not a debate about the virtues of Al. Do you have any contributions to make or is Al absolutely angelic? Please, let’s see if you have any real knowledge or you’re just following a script written by the DNC. C’mon, one bad thing about Al. > \*\* Ooh, nice flame. Simple. I’d never in a million years vote for Al if anyone else (ie, Bill) were running. He’s just not a particularly good candidate. I’d vote for Nader if it weren’t basically a vote for Bush. Gore is a boring, not so bright, exagerating, sometimes outright lying putz. It’s just that Bush is all that and a stupid fratboy republican fuck. Also, good job with the name. Next time you might want to call me FlyAsster, or perhaps FlymastWhore. Either one would be good. My main beef wasn’t that you were bashing Gore. It was that you were knowingly (although, I still maintain that it was unknowingly) spreading outright lies about the man. There’s a difference. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/71 "2000-10-02T18:29:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Flymaster \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by tradesilicon \* > > \*\*BTW Flymasterbator, did you still not notice the thread title/intent? It’s Gore Bashing, not a debate about the virtues of Al. Do you have any contributions to make or is Al absolutely angelic? Please, let’s see if you have any real knowledge or you’re just following a script written by the DNC. C’mon, one bad thing about Al. > > \*\* > > Ooh, nice flame. > > Simple. I’d never in a million years vote for Al if anyone else (ie, Bill) were running. He’s just not a particularly good candidate. I’d vote for Nader if it weren’t basically a vote for Bush. \*\* Egads . . . why does everyone make this assumption? Considering the low voter turnout in the last presidential election, it’s entirely possible that a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, since people that might otherwise not have voted will vote this year, leaving the net population of potential Bush and Gore voters unchanged. ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2000, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911/72 "2000-10-02T18:32:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Next time you might want to call me FlyAsster, or perhaps FlymastWhore Nah, after your last post, you’re just ‘Fly’ in my book. ::shakes Fly’s hand:: > [@](#): > > …Gore is a boring, not so bright, exagerating, sometimes outright lying putz. > > It’s just that Bush is all that and a stupid fratboy republican fuck. Actually, from what I’ve heard Bush is not all that boring, I hear he really likes to tie one on and party, so he’s alright in my book! > [@](#): > > My main beef wasn’t that you were bashing Gore. It was that you were knowingly (although, I still maintain that it was unknowingly) spreading outright lies about the man. There’s a difference. Actually, the situation is as follows: I received an email with those quotes just a day or so before the thread, and I though the timing was just too good. It was a bit suspicious, but just seemed right for the thread. The source was not very political, so I had no reason to think they were misquotes, but if this had been a GD thread I would be in deep doo-doo. Besides, they sound so believable as Gore-isms. sili [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gore-bashing-step-right-up/34911.md?page=3)