# "Gotcha ya!" video from the conservative noise machine seeks to make NPR look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960 "2011-03-08T19:47:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/261 "2011-03-13T12:16:27Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > ACORN didn’t have the opportunity and a corporation would not have been handled in the same way ACORN was handled. > > If you think some corporations aren’t privileged, we’re not from the same planet and I’ll pass on the “keep trying” bit. > > It’s moot really. " I am honestly dubious" that you’re engaging in a real attempt to discuss the issue. ACORN didn’t have the opportunity to have a “no admission of guilt” resolution that the SEC routinely permits–here’s the tricky part, try to focus–because the SEC wasn’t involved. The only “privilege” we’re discussing is the one you asserted, that non-ACORN corporations get some kind of pass that ACORN does not. I pointed out multiple instances of huge fines and executives going to prison as a consequence of their wrongdoing, but that was not analogous to you. Apparently no other corporation has been similarly penalized; ACORN stands alone. That said, you have yet to support this assertion with anything other than your concerned conviction that this must be so. So, you can pass on whatever you want, but the fact remains–people and corporations who commit fraud and similar wrongdoing have faced significant consequences. You were called on your statement that ACORN alone has ever been treated thusly, and you have yet to provide any evidence. Your self-righteous stomp out of the thread is transparent. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/262 "2011-03-13T15:57:52Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > You were called on your statement that ACORN alone has ever been treated thusly. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/263 "2011-03-13T16:16:30Z")
If ACORN’s demise is unique, then it is a unique example of something that never, ever should have happened. If it is not unique, then it is merely another example of something that never, ever should have happened. I am glad that we take the effort necessary to keep these crucial distinctions in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/264 "2011-03-13T17:14:25Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > Cite? Weak. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/265 "2011-03-13T17:55:05Z")
Well, this seals the deal. No question,NPR is liberal. Not lefty, liberal. Lefites would kick them in the shins and box their ears right smartly. Start a special impromptu pledge week, “Maybe We Go Down, But We Go Down Fighting, Goddamit!” Week. But they act like liberals, like a possum treed by a pack of rabid dogs. Gutless, feckless milquetoast pukes! Fer Chrissake, put on the \*Car Talk \*guys! “And even though rightarded shit-for-brains clap their hands over their ears when they hear us say it: you know whats wrong with your car? You’re driving it in a country run by thieving plutocrats, that’s what’s wrong with your car! And don’t vote like my brother…” ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/266 "2011-03-13T18:03:01Z")
Huh? That read like a gonzomax post, only better grammar. Did this hit the right thread? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/267 "2011-03-13T19:38:13Z")
The fact is he was with the station for 18 months and was a fund raiser. He was not involved in programming. He was not a NPR spokesman. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/268 "2011-03-13T21:00:33Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Weak. Nope. I never said that ACORN alone was treated badly. Again, I invite you to show where I did. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/269 "2011-03-14T00:56:52Z")
It appears that the video was [selectively edited](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/13/134495929/questions-raised-about-okeefes-editing-of-npr-sting-video). Ron Schiller was _quoting someone else_ who said the Republican party was hijacked by xenophobes. I am **shocked** , I tell you! I never would have expected an upstanding, honest, impartial person like O’Keefe to deceive us like this! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/270 "2011-03-14T03:39:24Z")
The boy’s uglier than day-old snot and only half as smart. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/271 "2011-03-14T04:30:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The boy’s uglier than day-old snot and only half as smart. I can’t wait until some police officer roughs him up during one of his charades. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/272 "2011-03-14T17:43:57Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It appears that the video was [selectively edited](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/13/134495929/questions-raised-about-okeefes-editing-of-npr-sting-video). Ron Schiller was _quoting someone else_ who said the Republican party was hijacked by xenophobes. > > I am **shocked** , I tell you! I never would have expected an upstanding, honest, impartial person like O’Keefe to deceive us like this! :rolleyes: Where’s Bricker? ---
**Author:** ![jonesj2205](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jonesj2205](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jonesj2205)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/273 "2011-03-14T17:49:55Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > It appears that the video was [selectively edited](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/13/134495929/questions-raised-about-okeefes-editing-of-npr-sting-video). Ron Schiller was _quoting someone else_ who said the Republican party was hijacked by xenophobes. > > I am **shocked** , I tell you! I never would have expected an upstanding, honest, impartial person like O’Keefe to deceive us like this! :rolleyes: According to the article after quoting the someone else, Schiller said he agreed with them. Which makes O’Keefe’s editing even more ridiculous. By distorting the conversation he undermines a legitimate point about Schiller’s statements. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/274 "2011-03-15T14:49:52Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Where’s Bricker? I’m not **Bricker** , but let me see if I can help. First, the interesting thing is that it was FoxNews that did this analysis. I would ask where is the immediate condemnation and disbelief that follows any citing of FoxNews? But that is really just a side show. Here’s the telling part: > [@](#): > > the raw video reveals that he is largely recounting the views expressed to him by two top Republicans, one a former ambassador, who admitted to him that they voted for Obama. Yep, he’s “largely recounting” (not quoting), but apparently paraphrasing two other people. And yet: > [@](#): > > "At the end, he signals his agreement. So, he agrees with these guy’s opinion that he was paraphrasing. What’s the difference if it was just him saying it instead? A little more damning is what I read in the paper today (not in this link) concerning his statements about NPR being better off in the long run w/o federal funding. What was edited out (and what I kind of suspected even before reading this) was that he said it would be disasterous in the short run. So, yeah, that kind of puts a different spin on things. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/275 "2011-03-15T18:31:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not **Bricker** , but let me see if I can help. First, the interesting thing is that it was FoxNews that did this analysis. I would ask where is the immediate condemnation and disbelief that follows any citing of FoxNews? But that is really just a side show. [The criterion of embarrassment](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criterion_of_embarrassment). Fox News is unlikely to lie about something that goes against their own interests. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/276 "2011-03-15T20:03:52Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > [The criterion of embarrassment](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criterion_of_embarrassment). Fox News is unlikely to lie about something that goes against their own interests. And how does that apply to this situation? ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/277 "2011-03-15T21:12:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And how does that apply to this situation? Fox News has a conservative bias. They don’t like NPR. If there’s any plausible way for them to make NPR look bad, they’ll jump on it like a starving pitbull on filet mignon. But even Fox News has standards. O’Keefe got greedy, and overreached. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/278 "2011-03-15T21:29:16Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Fox News has a conservative bias. They don’t like NPR. If there’s any plausible way for them to make NPR look bad, they’ll jump on it like a starving pitbull on filet mignon. But even Fox News has standards. O’Keefe got greedy, and overreached. OK, I get it now. FoxNews is bad, except in those instances when it servers your purpose for them not to be bad. Thanks for straightening that out! ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/279 "2011-03-15T22:44:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, I get it now. FoxNews is bad, except in those instances when it servers your purpose for them not to be bad. Thanks for straightening that out! Seems to me that he said that FoxNews is bad… but in this case, they’re not quite as bad. Or does it serve your purpose to misinterpret **Blalron** ’s statement? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/280 "2011-03-15T22:53:29Z")
It would pretty much always serve my purpose if they weren’t bad. More likely they would be good, way I figure. Which would be cool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960.md?page=15)