# "Gotcha ya!" video from the conservative noise machine seeks to make NPR look bad **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960 "2011-03-08T19:47:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/161 "2011-03-09T23:02:33Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > Name one major corporation that got “defunded” because of its actions. Hell, name one company that admitted wrong doing. Those companies you cite are targets because of systematic violations, not just one frameup job. BP still gets subsidies. Halliburton still got no bid contracts. Blackwater, oh I mean Xe is still a major if not the major contractor for the State Department’s security needs. And how is this relevant to any point under discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/162 "2011-03-09T23:04:18Z")
His point seems to be that for-profit corporations are held to much lower standards than non-profits, even when they receive far more government funds. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/163 "2011-03-09T23:09:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What decisions do you think were made without the board’s knowledge? Beginning to move the rig to the next drilling location without checking the wellbore for formation fluids. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/164 "2011-03-09T23:19:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > His point seems to be that for-profit corporations are held to much lower standards than non-profits, even when they receive far more government funds. Is someone arguing the contrary? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/165 "2011-03-09T23:28:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Again it’s possible that you are confused about the difference between “guilty” in a criminal context and “liable” in a civil context. (It’s also possible you were using ‘guilty’ in a non-technical sense to _mean_ civilly liable.) > > So let’s be crystal clear. I don’t believe ACORN is criminally guilty. But I believe ACORN is liable for the acts of those employees. > > I don’t believe Blackwater is criminally guilty. But, yes, I absolutely believe that they are liable for the acts of their employees. > > In other words, I don’t change how I judge the situation based on how much I favor or disfavor the goals of the actors. You have already shown that you do. > > Yes, I do think those organizations are equally “guilty” – that is to say, liable – for the actions of their employees. No, I don’t think I’ve shown that, and I don’t think you can show that I’ve shown that, not even in that old thread that supposedly shows my hypocrisy. You know why? Because what I want to do is make it illegal for a company to be in the private mercenary business in the United States. I want that to be illegal even without bringing up all the crimes committed by Blackwater/Xe and Erik Prince, as I think it’s a disgusting and quasi-legal business for an American company to be in. You’ll note that the language in the articles I cited talks about things Blackwater did as a company, not things that employees did without the knowledge of the BoD. Unless you can show that people who didn’t know about ACORN’s embezzlement somehow knew to keep quiet about something they didn’t know about, you don’t have an equivalent situation. Now, why don’t you cite where in that thread I said that all the people in the company should be jailed or held liable or punished for the actions of the company? Or will you admit that I said no such thing, and that you were just trying to play your old “liberal hypocrisy” card again? Really good effort on your part to distract from O’Keefe’s current actions, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/166 "2011-03-09T23:55:42Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > Name one major corporation that got “defunded” because of its actions. Hell, name one company that admitted wrong doing. Those companies you cite are targets because of systematic violations, not just one frameup job. BP still gets subsidies. Halliburton still got no bid contracts. Blackwater, oh I mean Xe is still a major if not the major contractor for the State Department’s security needs. Call Arthur Andersen for a report on the subject of going under after one office screws up an audit. If you can find a phone number for whatever is left of this once Big 5 Accounting Firm. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/167 "2011-03-10T00:27:36Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Call Arthur Andersen for a report on the subject of going under after one office screws up an audit. > > If you can find a phone number for whatever is left of this once Big 5 Accounting Firm. Oh, I think you could prolly find a number for “whatever is left of this once Big 5 Accounting Firm”, since [Accenture](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accenture) is the largest consulting firm in the entire freaking world, with almost a quarter of a million employees in over 120 countries and revenues (in 2009) of over US$23 billion. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/168 "2011-03-10T00:43:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And how is this relevant to any point under discussion? YOU raised the issue, I replied to your comment: > [@](#): > > No, it’s a perfect analogy. You lot want to be able to paint ACORN as blameless, the victim of a few bad apple execs, and simultaneously hold BP Oil, Halliburton, Blackwater, etc., liable as companies for the bad acts of their employees. ACORN got the death penalty for being accused of a crime. I’m pointing out that your analogy fails because although “our side” would like these entities to be held equally liable, it doesn’t happen in the real world to corporations. If you want to show that ACORN had a “corporate culture” that encouraged the “mistakes” of their employees equivalent to that which BP had going on which steamrolled safety concerns by the folks directly involved, there’s plenty of room left in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/169 "2011-03-10T04:09:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The fact of the matter is that there are racists in every group of human beings that exists and liberals are no exception. Of course racist liberals exist. But if we eliminate all racist votes, liberals start winning a lot more elections. I can’t wait for all the old racists to die off, even the liberal racists. The GOP will have a hard time winning elections. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You misunderstand, in two ways. Beck and Limbaugh were created to counter the left-wing hatred and mischaracterization of the right that had been going on for decades before their arrival. So the push back to Bill Moyer, Walter Cronkite, Edward Murrow et al is Beck & Limbaugh. That says a lot about the state of conservatism. Once the old racists die off, you guys are fucked. No wonder there’s a big push by conservatives to keep college kids from voting. > [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](#): > > Incidentally, Starving Artist, the Republicans have gotten so fucking crazy that if Richard Nixon and Teddy Roosevelt came back from the dead they would be damned as liberals. Reagan too. Conservatives have embraced catchphrases and rhetoric as actual policy so much so that they’ve gone off the deep end. Currently, it’s ugly, but long-term? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/170 "2011-03-10T04:29:59Z")
Can you say “delusional”? Can you say “paranoid”? Yeah, I thought that you could. :rolleyes: It is my belief that racism exists within the Democrat party and the ranks of liberals themselves in percentages approximating those in conservative ranks. If conservatives as a whole were anywhere near as cut, dried and obstinate as your side would have us believe, the civil rights movement would never have gotten off the ground to begin with. The truth of the matter is that most conservatives disdain racism as well. Liberals have a very hard time trying to gain popular acceptance of their views because by and large they don’t make sense and they run counter to human nature. So instead of arguing the pros and cons of their ideas, liberals have chosen simply to demonize their opponents and seek to gain support and votes that way. The trouble with you and a lot of other people on this board is that you’ve swallowed those lies hook, line and sinker. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/171 "2011-03-10T04:42:02Z")
I have subjected this statement to molecular level analysis with a gas sarcasm spectrometer. There is not the slightest trace of irony. He believes every word. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/172 "2011-03-10T04:45:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Can you say “delusional”? Can you say “paranoid”? > > Yeah, I thought that you could. > > \ > > **Liberals** have a very hard time trying to gain popular acceptance of their views because by and large they don’t make sense and they run counter to human nature. So instead of arguing the pros and cons of their ideas, **liberals** have chosen simply to demonize their opponents and seek to gain support and votes that way. > > The trouble with you and a lot of other people on this board is that you’ve swallowed those lies hook, line and sinker. You keep misspelling “conservatives”. And the trouble with you and your ilk is that you think everyone thinks like you think, or they are evil. We don’t, and we aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/173 "2011-03-10T04:56:20Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > I can’t wait for all the old racists to die off, even the liberal racists. Then perhaps you should apply to be poster boy for liberal naivety. You wouldn’t outlive racism if you lived 10,000 years. Racism exists in every culture and every population in every country in every corner of the world. Within the U.S. along there is racism against black people and Hispanic people and Asian people. And the is racism among black people and Hispanic people and Asian people. And it isn’t all white vs. everyone else or vice versa either. There are blacks who hate not only whites but Hispanics and Asians, and Hispanics who hate blacks and Asians and whites, and Asians who hate Hispanics and blacks and whites. So every group is perfectly capable of holding racist views, and they do. And age isn’t going to get rid of it either. There are a lot of people who start out without noticeable racist feelings but who then develop them as they age and encounter negative experiences with people of certain races. The best we can do, and many conservatives in our population have done this all along, is to try to minimize both racism itself and the consequences of it. But if you think the time is gonna come when racism no longer exists because the racists have all died out, you’re kidding yourself bigtime. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/174 "2011-03-10T05:01:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You keep misspelling “conservatives”. > > And the trouble with you and your ilk is that you think everyone thinks like you think, or they are evil. We don’t, and we aren’t. Every. single. time. in my life that I’ve heard the word “evil” applied to a political group, it has come from liberals and been aimed at conservatives. I have never, ever heard liberals referred to as evil by anyone on the right. This isn’t to say that no conservative anywhere has never used the word when talking about liberals, but it certainly hasn’t become an characteristic meme like it has with the left. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/175 "2011-03-10T05:14:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Every. single. time. in my life that I’ve heard the word “evil” applied to a political group, it has come from liberals and been aimed at conservatives. I have never, ever heard liberals referred to as evil by anyone on the right. This isn’t to say that no conservative anywhere has never used the word when talking about liberals, but it certainly hasn’t become an characteristic meme like it has with the left. Every single time? Never, ever? HAHAHAHAHA You’re a liar. Or you suffer from the same malady as that guy in _Memento_. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/176 "2011-03-10T05:19:01Z")
Yep. I said never and I meant never. Outrage at the evil intent of one’s political opponent and the firm belief that he is up to no damn good and constantly on the lookout for ways to hurt his fellow man is a liberal meme, not a conservative one. Conservatives think that liberals are wrongheaded, misquided, immature, naive, etc. but they do not think liberals are evil or that they intentionally set out to cause the harm they do. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/177 "2011-03-10T05:34:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, those vicious conservative assholes, showing people up for what they really are! How dare they! > > Every television news site and news magazines like 60 Minutes, 20/20, etc. do this routinely and they always have. > > Oh, and btw, the Tea Party is not racist. Some members of the Tea Party are racist, but then so are some liberals. And probably in about equal proportions. > > I think people who wrongfully accuse other people of racism are as bad as, if not worse than, racists themselves. Not even close to true. There are lots of people who are anti black. they are in the Repub party. They are Tea Baggers. they would be rare in the Dems. If you think Brietbart and his pawn are the same as 60 minutes, you are a lot dumber than I thought. In no way are they equivalent. 60 minutes has done a lot of breaking stories over its long and storied history. They have been the mainstay of reporting They have busted important stories for decades. If you honestly thing they are equal to the OKeefe /Brietbart crap, you are a totally lost soul . ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/178 "2011-03-10T06:07:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Only because they were deceived by O’Keefe’s dishonest smear job. I know at least two people who refused to donate money when the brother of the founder embezzled a bunch of money from the organization and then other executives tried to cover this up. I have a difficult time believing they were alone. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/179 "2011-03-10T06:21:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yep. I said never and I meant never. Outrage at the evil intent of one’s political opponent and the firm belief that he is up to no damn good and constantly on the lookout for ways to hurt his fellow man is a liberal meme, not a conservative one. **Conservatives think that liberals are wrongheaded, misquided, immature, naive, etc. but they do not think liberals are evil or that they intentionally set out to cause the harm they do**. LMFAO Do you live next to the river, or do you live squarely in denial? You are a liar, and not a very good one at that. In fact, the message of the right has for years been that the left is evil and they are trying to destroy America. I just listened to Henry Cain tell a roomful of Republicans that Obama is trying to destroy America (LVRJ reporter Laura Myers reported it on her Twitter feed seconds after it happened). In fact, the exact opposite of what you say is what is actually true. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotcha-ya-video-from-the-conservative-noise-machine-seeks-to-make-npr-look-bad/573960/180 "2011-03-10T06:24:53Z")
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