# Gotham - new season discussion

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-season-discussion/733128>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [October 1, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-season-discussion/733128 "2015-10-01T13:39:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-season-discussion/733128/81 "2016-05-26T13:08:33Z")

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> [@Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](#):
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> I’m actually still impressed with how they answered this question, about redeeming Gordon after he cold-bloodedly murders Galivan–you’re not a murderer if the guy you murdered shows up alive and something-not-quite-well. I guess they had that in mind all along, but it was a deft touch to pull Gordon back from the brink.

To me, it doesn’t redeem Gordon at all. He still execution-style murdered someone. The fact that the victim was magically brought back to life has nothing to do with Gordon’s actions.

I’m still enjoying the show, but (to me) if they thought that got Gordon off the hook, they failed completely.

They need a lot more Butch though–I love that actor. And–although there’s really no way to do it, I’d love for them to bring back whatshisname–the guy who played Salvador Marconi in the first season. When he and Penguin were together, they stole the damn show. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Not\_A\_Tame\_Lion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_A_Tame_Lion)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-season-discussion/733128/82 "2016-05-26T23:20:29Z")

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> [@Fenris](#):
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> To me, it doesn’t redeem Gordon at all. He still execution-style murdered someone. The fact that the victim was magically brought back to life has nothing to do with Gordon’s actions.
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> I’m still enjoying the show, but (to me) if they thought that got Gordon off the hook, they failed completely.
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> They need a lot more Butch though–I love that actor. And–although there’s really no way to do it, I’d love for them to bring back whatshisname–the guy who played Salvador Marconi in the first season. When he and Penguin were together, they stole the damn show. 🙂

‘Redeeming’ is probably a poor word choice. I simply meant getting Gordon off the hook for committing murder in a practical sense: he can’t be under indictment or suspicion for Galivan’s death anymore. The state of his immortal soul remains murky, to be sure.

Agreed on Butch; he’s a great character, and the actor who plays him does an excellent job. The guy who played Maroni was good, too, but not necessary to have back, in my opinion. I liked Falcone, too, but except for his brief cameo earlier this season, I suppose he has fulfilled his narrative purpose.

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**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\
**Post date:** [May 26, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-season-discussion/733128/83 "2016-05-26T23:59:06Z")

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> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#):
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> So was that Bane we saw coming off the bus at the end? Could anyone spot any other particular villains in that scene? Was that woman who thanked the bag lady someone we’re supposed to recognize?

All I recognized out of any of them was Killer Croc, who they’d already cameoed an ep or two back.

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