# Gotham (new show on Fox) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355 "2014-09-23T18:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/361 "2014-11-29T00:56:11Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > At what age does Batman become Batman? He’s twenty-five in BATMAN: YEAR ONE. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/362 "2014-11-29T01:00:46Z")
I’m not saying I want to see an older Bruce, but the way they’re putting the focus on him and a rogue’s gallery that doesn’t even develop until he becomes Batman, it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if they make him become a young Batman. They should have set the time frame to just after Bruce left Gotham. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/363 "2014-11-29T01:04:37Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > I’m not saying I want to see an older Bruce, but the way they’re putting the focus on him and a rogue’s gallery that doesn’t even develop until he becomes Batman, it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if they make him become a young Batman. _“That’s it! It’s an omen! I shall become – a ROBIN!”_ ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/364 "2014-11-29T01:15:59Z")
Heh, when I was typing that out, the thought occurred to me that they might have him run around as Robin at first. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/365 "2014-11-29T02:15:28Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > They should have set the time frame to just after Bruce left Gotham. What universe is this anyway? Smallville? Arrow? Is DC trying to tie their DC TV universe with movies? Where does this show fit? The Marvel Cinematic Universe is doing a great job. Is DC even trying yet? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/366 "2014-11-29T02:48:52Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > What universe is this anyway? Smallville? Arrow? Is DC trying to tie their DC TV universe with movies? Where does this show fit? The Marvel Cinematic Universe is doing a great job. Is DC even trying yet? Their _Flash_ and _Arrow_ shows are in the same universe and they’ve made references to and/or made room for any number of additional established characters other than the “big three”. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/367 "2014-11-29T03:42:43Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > What universe is this anyway? Smallville? Arrow? Is DC trying to tie their DC TV universe with movies? Where does this show fit? The Marvel Cinematic Universe is doing a great job. Is DC even trying yet? Why have we decided that, because Marvel’s way works for Marvel, that it’s now the _only_ way to do anything comic related. DC are doing their own thing. Same thing they’ve always been doing to relative success. Lois and Clark didn’t suffer for being unconnected to the Burton movies. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/368 "2014-11-29T04:23:12Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > Why have we decided that, because Marvel’s way works for Marvel, that it’s now the _only_ way to do anything comic related. DC are doing their own thing. Same thing they’ve always been doing to relative success. Lois and Clark didn’t suffer for being unconnected to the Burton movies. Well what is DC’s thing? Are we leading up to movies or not? Man of Steel is getting us a new Batman, not that dark edgy crybaby in the movies. What’s going on? ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/369 "2015-01-06T17:50:26Z")
So did anyone else watch the next half of the season? I liked it, although Barbara is still a huge bitch and the Doctor Director is a giant asshole. Still sad he died, but not surprised. Kinda weird to see Leslie Tompkins as a hottie. Not complaining though 😉 I liked the interaction between Seline and Ivy. It’ll be nice to get Jim back next episode, but I think they gave away too much in the preview. Didn’t use Penguin very well. Stupid of him. Kinda wish they had stretch the will he/won’t he with Butch out longer. It was an interesting storyline. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/370 "2015-01-06T18:10:30Z")
Barbara is hugely unattractive in her personality and becomes worse with each episode. Now she is a junkie. It will be interesting to see how Butch killing his capo friend goes down with Fish, who expected him to be brought around and become an ally, not killed. And Butch has so much hots for Fish that it was obvious it was coming from the start of the first meeting. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/371 "2015-01-06T18:19:56Z")
I _really_ hated last night’s episode, and I enjoyed nearly all of the first half. I just thought the whole thing was terribly disjointed and 90% of the plot came out of left field - enough so that we were wondering if we’d missed an episode or something. Gordon’s new boss at the Asylum _hates him_ - to the point of being completely irrational about it - but we’re never shown or told the reason why. I guess he’s just an asshole? Not terribly satisfying. So I guess Barbara’s been with the cop for a while, and they’re “toxic” for each other and drive one another to drug and alcohol abuse and now they’re breaking up… but we’ve seen exactly 0% of their relationship so again, I guess we’re just supposed to take the whole thing on faith? Oh, and after spending the entire first 10 episodes telling Barbara that Gordon is bad news, now the cop is urging Barbara to _call him?_ Wait, what? I guess Penguin’s getting too big for his britches. But we didn’t see that happen or develop - we just saw the payoff scene and the consequences. And the whole story of the week. Wait - NO ONE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A NURSE HANGING AROUND THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY EVER HIRED? HOW IS THAT A THING? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/372 "2015-01-06T18:26:05Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I _really_ hated last night’s episode, and I enjoyed nearly all of the first half. I just thought the whole thing was terribly disjointed and 90% of the plot came out of left field - enough so that we were wondering if we’d missed an episode or something. > > Gordon’s new boss at the Asylum _hates him_ - to the point of being completely irrational about it - but we’re never shown or told the reason why. I guess he’s just an asshole? Not terribly satisfying. > > So I guess Barbara’s been with the cop for a while, and they’re “toxic” for each other and drive one another to drug and alcohol abuse and now they’re breaking up… but we’ve seen exactly 0% of their relationship so again, I guess we’re just supposed to take the whole thing on faith? Oh, and after spending the entire first 10 episodes telling Barbara that Gordon is bad news, now the cop is urging Barbara to _call him?_ Wait, what? > > I guess Penguin’s getting too big for his britches. But we didn’t see that happen or develop - we just saw the payoff scene and the consequences. > > And the whole story of the week. Wait - NO ONE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A NURSE HANGING AROUND THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY EVER HIRED? HOW IS THAT A THING? Yep, yep, yep & yep. Not their best. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/373 "2015-01-06T18:27:09Z")
Gordon’s new boss hated him because the mayor told him to make life miserable for him so he would quit the force. I thought it was a great episode. And we now have Christopher Heyerdahl as a smart psycho bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/374 "2015-01-06T18:46:54Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > And the whole story of the week. Wait - NO ONE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A NURSE HANGING AROUND THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY EVER HIRED? HOW IS THAT A THING? Yeah, WTF? There were five employees who came over from some other hospital and oh that reminds me, it might be the crazy person we found living in the basement who we let dress and act as a nurse? The whole episode was kinda all over the place and not in a good way. It was like the first episode of a new season and the creative team is trying to get back in the groove and failing, but this wasn’t the first episode after a long break. At least, not for them. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/375 "2015-01-07T01:57:51Z")
I know the sensors wouldn’t allow it, but I would have squeeed if Gordon’s new boss would say, “shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit”! In case you don’t remember him as Mayor Clay Davis from _The Wire_ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/376 "2015-01-07T02:46:41Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yeah, WTF? There were five employees who came over from some other hospital and oh that reminds me, it might be the crazy person we found living in the basement who we let dress and act as a nurse? Yeah, that was a real record-needle-screech moment. Why was she able to hand out drugs but not treatment? Even if she was a practicing nurse, isn’t that about exactly reversed from what nurses do? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/377 "2015-01-07T02:52:21Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > I know the sensors wouldn’t allow it, but I would have squeeed if Gordon’s new boss would say, “shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit”! > In case you don’t remember him as Mayor Clay Davis from _The Wire_ State senator Clay Davis. Never Mayor. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/378 "2015-01-07T03:11:51Z")
I liked the guest stars. Ms. DiPesto from Moonlighting and Inara from Firefly. Nitpick, firing a revolver in a car with the windows rolled up has to be terrible for the ears. He should have been deaf the rest of the day at least. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/379 "2015-01-07T04:01:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > State senator Clay Davis. Never Mayor. :smack: You’re correct. I’m rewatching the remastered episodes now, up to the beginning of season 2. Nonetheless, it is always good to see more Wire alum on Gotham. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/380 "2015-01-07T06:06:23Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Yeah, WTF? There were five employees who came over from some other hospital and oh that reminds me, it might be the crazy person we found living in the basement who we let dress and act as a nurse? Heh, I kinda liked that bit. It was silly, but I think the campy-horror aspect of the show is its best feature, so I liked that Arkham has an inmate that lives in the basement and managed to integrate herself into the medical staff. > [@](#): > > The whole episode was kinda all over the place and not in a good way. It was like the first episode of a new season and the creative team is trying to get back in the groove and failing, but this wasn’t the first episode after a long break. At least, not for them. The shows biggest problem is it has a big cast it needs to follow in every episode, so we keep jumping out of the main story to follow a bunch of side-plots. They really need to kill some of the more tangential characters (most especially, Barbara) so they can keep the episodes to just one or two storylines. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355.md?page=20)