# Gotham (new show on Fox) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355 "2014-09-23T18:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/461 "2015-02-23T19:26:02Z")
> [@turner](#): > > RE: Fish. I’m a batman heretic. I always liked Eartha Kitt Catwoman better than Julie Neumar, and Fish has a lot of Eartha Kitt in her–the lines seem to purr from her mouth. I wonder if that’s her model for the character. The perfect Catwoman is the body of Julie with the Voice and acting of Kitt. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/462 "2015-02-23T20:11:24Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > +1. > > This season’s supposed to be “the rise of the Penguin” and I bet next year will focus on the Riddler. But I’ve always thought the latter was doing it for the lolz, not the money, and I’m wondering if he’ll start out by teasing Penguin, which could be interesting. I liked the strange little interaction between the two at the station. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Penguin who does something to him that puts him over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/463 "2015-02-23T20:32:27Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I liked the strange little interaction between the two at the station. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Penguin who does something to him that puts him over the edge. I loved that bit. The instant dislike, even before any words were spoken. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/464 "2015-02-23T20:56:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The perfect Catwoman is the body of Julie with the Voice and acting of Kitt. I just now realized the perfect Joker is the body and voice and acting of Gorshin. ---
**Author:** ![Cartoonacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/848f3c/32.png) [@Cartoonacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartoonacy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/465 "2015-02-23T23:04:14Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I just now realized the perfect Joker is the body and voice and acting of Gorshin. Did you mean Joker or Riddler? A Gorshinesque Joker \*could \*be interesting… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/466 "2015-02-23T23:06:59Z")
> [@Cartoonacy](#): > > Did you mean Joker or Riddler? I meant Joker. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/467 "2015-02-24T03:17:04Z")
I’ll keep it spoiler free since it just aired. The development with Fish is going to have quite the ramifications, but I can’t see it working out for her in the end. How many episodes to the end of the season? I liked the symbolism of the hood. A lot. The rest of the plotlines weren’t so surprising. Kinda disappointing. That said, I love me some Butch. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/468 "2015-02-24T03:40:39Z")
They missed a bet in this episode. They should have shown the cops at Wayne manor and Bullock says: “Well, we know who _didn’t_ do it.” ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/469 "2015-02-24T16:19:46Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > They missed a bet in this episode. They should have shown the cops at Wayne manor and Bullock says: “Well, we know who _didn’t_ do it.” +1 My husband (Andy L) says that Bruce should ask, “Alfred, why is the mansion lit only with lightning? Ever?” That bit with Bullock drinking the soda and saying that “forensics” would only do it if he didn’t, made me think of the Flash–Barry’s got to keep his calorie count up somehow. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/470 "2015-02-24T16:30:12Z")
Okay. We know Fish is evil. We know she’s a bad ass. Now we know she’s a craaaazy bitch! Okay, okay! Bring on the butler jokes! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/471 "2015-02-24T16:31:19Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I’ll keep it spoiler free since it just aired. > > The development with Fish is going to have quite the ramifications, but I can’t see it working out for her in the end. How many episodes to the end of the season? > > I liked the symbolism of the hood. A lot. > > The rest of the plotlines weren’t so surprising. Kinda disappointing. > > That said, I love me some Butch. I will say that I yelled OH F\*\*\*! twice, when Fish did what she did & when Alfred’s old mate did what he did. Those who have seen the ep will know what two dids I mean. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/472 "2015-02-24T16:49:20Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I will say that I yelled OH F\*\*\*! twice, when Fish did what she did & when Alfred’s old mate did what he did. Those who have seen the ep will know what two dids I mean. No shit! I actually said, to no one but the cat, “oh no she di’int!” . \*Most \*disturbing. I missed exactly what happened with Alfred. I understand the after math and the motivation, etc., but didn’t see the actual scene. Could you kindly spoiler box it for me? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/473 "2015-02-24T16:54:45Z")
Am I reading too much into the scene between Barbara and Selena? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/474 "2015-02-24T17:02:32Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Am I reading too much into the scene between Barbara and Selena? I think Barbara is contemplating villainhood. She’d make a better villain. OTOH, maybe that was her wake up moment and she’ll start getting her act together. That would be no fun. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/475 "2015-02-24T17:17:16Z")
It looked to me like she was hitting on Selena, and I’m wondering if that’s what they intended me to think. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/476 "2015-02-24T17:18:39Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > No shit! I actually said, to no one but the cat, “oh no she di’int!” . \*Most \*disturbing. > > I missed exactly what happened with Alfred. I understand the after math and the motivation, etc., but didn’t see the actual scene. Could you kindly spoiler box it for me? Alfred got up in the middle of the night, confronted his friend seemingly stealing items, his friend says that he’s in big trouble, that he’s sorry, and with a weird sliding sound, stabs Alfred near his heart. Bruce discovers him, calls an ambulance, then calls Gordon. Alfred is seriously wounded so they don’t know if he’ll live. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/477 "2015-02-24T17:48:53Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Alfred got up in the middle of the night, confronted his friend seemingly stealing items, his friend says that he’s in big trouble, that he’s sorry, and with a weird sliding sound, stabs Alfred near his heart. Bruce discovers him, calls an ambulance, then calls Gordon. Alfred is seriously wounded so they don’t know if he’ll live. Thanks; I can’t believe I missed that scene. Is Payne a character in the comic universe? Also, at the end, he tells the board that it’s time to “work on the boy” or something to that effect, but then later sort of recants and says “he’s just a boy; a \*good \*boy”. What are we supposed to get from that? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/478 "2015-02-24T18:10:29Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Thanks; I can’t believe I missed that scene. Is Payne a character in the comic universe? Also, at the end, he tells the board that it’s time to “work on the boy” or something to that effect, but then later sort of recants and says “he’s just a boy; a \*good \*boy”. What are we supposed to get from that? That was confusing. Is he really a down and out drunk, or not? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/479 "2015-02-24T19:19:33Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > It looked to me like she was hitting on Selena, and I’m wondering if that’s what they intended me to think. Yeah, THAT was creepy. So Selena’s comment was perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355/480 "2015-02-24T23:28:16Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Yeah, THAT was creepy. So Selena’s comment was perfect. I have to wonder if she just didn’t realize how young Selena is, given Barbara’s confused state of mind and the alcohol. But I don’t think she would honestly make a mistake like that. Camren Bicondova is 15, but isn’t her character supposed to be 13 or so? And I don’t think she looks older than she is. At my age, I’ll admit that sometimes I can’t distinguish between, say, a 17YO and a 21YO, but it’s rare that I mistake a 13YO for 18+ (It has happened, but in each case it was a 13YO who was far more “developed” than average and also very good with makeup. Not that I was hitting on any of them.). And Barbara is quite a bit younger than I am, making her less likely to make such an “honest mistake”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gotham-new-show-on-fox/699355.md?page=25)