# Gov. Cuomo: America "was never that great" - is this a common sentiment on the Left?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [August 20, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934 "2018-08-20T22:47:41Z")
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/181 "2018-08-24T17:48:32Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Not on the page with the video, which was my source.
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> I did my best to mimick the size and appearance of the headline CNN chose [here](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/15/ny-gov-andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-sot-vpx.ny-governors-office). I’d invite our dear readers to compare both. I suppose you could quibble that I should’ve used size 4 or 6 or picked a different font, but on the CNN page I linked to in the OP and this page, the headline (which CNN apparently considered significant too) “was in large type and bolded”.
Why are you still talking about CNN? The topic under discussion is YOUR misrepresentation of the quote. (I can use large fonts too)
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/182 "2018-08-24T17:49:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#):
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> Why are you still talking about CNN? …
Because my presentation of the quote mimics CNN’s presentation [here](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/15/ny-gov-andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-sot-vpx.ny-governors-office).
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/183 "2018-08-24T17:50:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Not on the page with the video, which was my source.
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> I did my best to mimick the size and appearance of the headline CNN chose [here](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/15/ny-gov-andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-sot-vpx.ny-governors-office). I’d invite our dear readers to compare both. I suppose you could quibble that I should’ve used size 4 or 6 or picked a different font, but on the CNN page I linked to in the OP and this page, the headline (which CNN apparently considered significant too) “was in large type and bolded”.
Headlines are conventional for news sites. The same format would be followed regardless of the story. There wasn’t an attempt to obscure like you do.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/184 "2018-08-24T17:55:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Because my presentation of the quote mimics CNN’s presentation [here](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/15/ny-gov-andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-sot-vpx.ny-governors-office).
So, if I’m understanding correctly, you are admitting that you misrepresented the quote, but think your misrepresentation is OK because of something CNN did?
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/185 "2018-08-24T17:58:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#):
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> So, if I’m understanding correctly, you are admitting that you misrepresented the quote, but think your misrepresentation is OK because of something CNN did?
“They did a bad thing, why can’t I do a bad thing?”
Rather than _not_ doing the bad thing.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/186 "2018-08-24T17:59:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> “They did a bad thing, why can’t I do a bad thing?”
> Rather than _not_ doing the bad thing.
Or, alternatively: They did a thing. I did it too. Neither one of us thinks it’s a “bad thing”.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/187 "2018-08-24T18:00:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#):
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> So, if I’m understanding correctly, you are admitting that you misrepresented the quote, but think your misrepresentation is OK because of something CNN did?
No, you’re not understanding correctly. I don’t think that either CNN or I misrepresented Cuomo’s quote.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/188 "2018-08-24T18:05:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> No, you’re not understanding correctly. I don’t think that either CNN or I misrepresented Cuomo’s quote.
Yeah, you did. Your original post eliminated the context of the quote.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/189 "2018-08-24T18:13:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Yeah, you did. Your original post eliminated the context of the quote.
We disagree on this point. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Must we keep beating this dead horse?
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/190 "2018-08-24T18:19:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> We disagree on this point. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Must we keep beating this dead horse?
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> [Recently Gov. Cuomo (D-NY) said America “was never that great.”](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/15/ny-gov-andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-sot-vpx.ny-governors-office) Is this a common sentiment among those on the Left?
There’s your OP. Show me the context.
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### Author:  [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/191 "2018-08-24T18:31:26Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> We disagree on this point. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Must we keep beating this dead horse?
Well, if you admitted that you misrepresented the quote we could probably stop with the beatings.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/192 "2018-08-24T18:37:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#):
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> Well, if you admitted that you misrepresented the quote we could probably stop with the beatings.
I don’t believe I did. I don’t believe CNN did either. Why would I admit to doing something that I don’t believe I did?
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/193 "2018-08-24T19:15:07Z")
This is all fascinating, really. Compelling stuff. I hope this thread never ends.
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### Author:  [@Epic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epic)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/194 "2018-08-24T20:30:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> [Context.](https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/politics/andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great/index.html)
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> Let’s throw in that we were one of the last nations to eliminate slavery
we eliminated it in the same epoch as many other countries did. TONS of other countries eliminated it decades later. In many cases, in many decades later. And we didn’t have a king to do it by fiat as elsewhere.
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Jim Crow laws existed until relatively recently
too bad Europe did all their slave trading outside of their host countries, so they didn’t have to deal with the aftereffects at home; their colonies just suffered a lot worse economically and politically than the blacks did here. Also, how did other large countries treat ethnic/racial minorities?
> [@OP](#):
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> Recently Gov. Cuomo (D-NY) said America “was never that great.” Is this a common sentiment among those on the Left?
Yes; the left is oikophobic (doesn’t like what they have), they think the grass is greener everywhere else, even when one side has a ton of grass which due to its size is hard to keep looking nice while the other has a very pretty small little plot. They’re fed stuff from leftist profs who admired communism, and the sentiment of bringing down those who have it easy not to help anyone but for revenge is the idea.
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/195 "2018-08-24T21:11:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> We disagree on this point. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Must we keep beating this dead horse?
We’ll be happy to explain to you in so many words, as evil economist did, why your thinking about what you did is completely mistaken. You were wrong. Your equivalence with what CNN did is false, because they were totally different contextual situations. We’ll keep beating this horse as long as you deny reality. I’m prepared to keep this up forever if you want to go down that path.
Please note that this behavior is absolutely identical to that of moon hoaxers. Thank you for the continual confirmation.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/196 "2018-08-24T21:17:10Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> We’ll be happy to explain to you in so many words, as evil economist did, why your thinking about what you did is completely mistaken. You were wrong. Your equivalence with what CNN did is false, because they were totally different contextual situations. We’ll keep beating this horse as long as you deny reality. I’m prepared to keep this up forever if you want to go down that path.
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> Please note that this behavior is absolutely identical to that of moon hoaxers. Thank you for the continual confirmation.
You seem to have conveniently ignored my rebuttal of your post in #164. How 'bout just a response to the very last line? Too much for you to manage?
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/197 "2018-08-24T21:30:52Z")
Conveniently, I just happened to be reading a letters to the editor column. The writer accused the New York Times and the Washington Post and [insert many other names here] and his local editorial writer, all independent newspapers, with independent writers and policies, of blindly writing the same anti-Trump screeds instead of reporting the truth. Somehow it didn’t occur to him that the simpler conclusion would be that they are all observing and reporting the same objectivity reality that he, for whatever reasons, denies.
Coincidentally, we have a thread in which everybody has a chance to read and report on the same objectivity reality, and in which everybody comes down on one version of that truth.
Except you.
As long as you deny reality, I’ll be happy to remind you of it, just like so many other independent posters.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/198 "2018-08-24T21:34:54Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> … I’ll be happy to remind you of it…
But apparently not happy to respond to questions or admit your errors?
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/199 "2018-08-24T21:52:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> But apparently not happy to respond to questions or admit your errors?
One side has been making errors all along and has loudly denied ever doing so. I’m on the other side.
The issue is why you ripped a quote out of context and used it to attack a whole political consciousness. You cannot deny that’s what you were doing. There was no need to start a thread with such a poisoned OP unless that was your intent. Again, everybody here independently read it that way, despite your desperate quibbles about language meant to deflect the opprobrium away from you.
You’re wrong. You’ve been wrong in all your posts. You continue to deny it. We continue to insist about objective reality. It’s very soothing to have reality to fall back on.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/200 "2018-08-24T22:13:38Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> … I’m on the other side. …
No, you’re not and I’ve already shown where and why.
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