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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/103 "2018-08-22T02:46:28Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> Well, maybe we were greater at some point in history, like say November 7th 2016.
That’s not only a local peak of when your country was great, it’s arguably the last time you were even _good_.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/104 "2018-08-22T03:03:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> By electing someone like Cuomo? :dubious:
No, by unelecting somebody like Trump.
I don’t have much admiration for Cuomo. He’s a conniver. There are a lot of people I’d rather see as President. But if it comes down to a choice between Cuomo and Trump, Cuomo is far and away the better choice.
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/105 "2018-08-22T04:47:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> By electing someone like Cuomo? :dubious:
Of course not. That isn’t going to happen.
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/106 "2018-08-22T04:49:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Because her death is in the news tonight.
Murdered by a guy who has worked for a GOP county official for four years.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/107 "2018-08-22T04:55:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Murdered by a guy who has worked for a GOP county official for four years.
Yeah, [apparently he passed E-Verify despite being an illegal alien](https://twitter.com/idaveprice/status/1032097247335534592). I’m having a hard time laying the blame for this murder at Craig Lang’s feet. I can imagine that it’s shocking for you to learn, but “close enough for government work” isn’t always.
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/108 "2018-08-22T05:39:09Z")
The cynic in me realized that **HurricaneDitka** never apparently gave a damn about Mollie until he found out the man arrested in connection with her death is an illegal immigrant, but…
Never mind, there’s no buts. Should the killer of Jake Wilson come to light and be a regular Iowan, there will be silence, not just from **HD** , but the shitheads in Des Moines and Washington. Should Sadie Alvarado’s boyfriend (white dude) be charged with something other than leaving the scene of an accident, the crickets will be deafening.
For fucksakes, you’re attempting to politicize the death of a young woman while crowing after every single school shooting that “nothing can be done”, “it’s too soon”, and other horseshit.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/109 "2018-08-22T06:12:20Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#):
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> The cynic in me realized that **HurricaneDitka** never apparently gave a damn about Mollie until he found out the man arrested in connection with her death is an illegal immigrant, but…
>
> Never mind, there’s no buts. Should the killer of Jake Wilson come to light and be a regular Iowan, there will be silence, not just from **HD** , but the shitheads in Des Moines and Washington. Should Sadie Alvarado’s boyfriend (white dude) be charged with something other than leaving the scene of an accident, the crickets will be deafening.
>
> For fucksakes, you’re attempting to politicize the death of a young woman while crowing after every single school shooting that “nothing can be done”, “it’s too soon”, and other horseshit.
Thank you.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/110 "2018-08-22T06:37:37Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#):
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> … For fucksakes, you’re attempting to politicize the death of a young woman while crowing after every single school shooting that “nothing can be done”, “it’s too soon”, and other horseshit.
Do you think **Ryan Kitchen** ’s post #106 was an attempt to politicize her death?
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/111 "2018-08-22T07:31:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I’m having a hard time laying the blame for this murder at Craig Lang’s feet.
Pretend he’s a Democrat. I’ll bet you find it suddenly becomes very easy for you to do.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/112 "2018-08-22T07:49:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Pretend he’s a Democrat. I’ll bet you find it suddenly becomes very easy for you to do.
Wrong. The employer submitted the murderer’s identity to E-Verify and got the all clear. That’s a failure of government, not the employer.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/113 "2018-08-22T08:14:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Wrong. The employer submitted the murderer’s identity to E-Verify and got the all clear. That’s a failure of government, not the employer.
Well that’s [nice.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21161487&postcount=464)
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/114 "2018-08-22T08:18:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
>
> Do you think **Ryan Kitchen** ’s post #106 was an attempt to politicize her death?
I think it’s irrelevant drivel that would be unposted without your ignoble attempt to drag a dead woman into a thread when you showed no regard for her before finding out she died at the hand of an illegal immigrant, nor any of the other dead young people from Iowa that have died alone in the last couple weeks.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/115 "2018-08-22T08:25:48Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#):
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> I think it’s irrelevant drivel that would be unposted without your ignoble attempt to drag a dead woman into a thread when you showed no regard for her before finding out she died at the hand of an illegal immigrant, nor any of the other dead young people from Iowa that have died alone in the last couple weeks.
That sounds like a long-winded affirmation. Did I understand you correctly?
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### Author:  [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/116 "2018-08-22T08:41:18Z")
In short words for the slow ones, yes.
Given your evasion of the rest of the earlier post, it’s accurate to say the only thing you care about Mollie Tibbets is the undocumented status of the man charged in her murder, and makes your earlier comments seem…insincere.
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/117 "2018-08-22T08:56:58Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#):
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> … Given your evasion of the rest of the earlier post, it’s accurate to say the only thing you care about Mollie Tibbets is the undocumented status of the man charged in her murder, and makes your earlier comments seem…insincere.
No, it’s not accurate. I brought up Mollie Tibbetts in post #90 only as an example to illustrate my point that ‘I don’t think that every American has always had a “great” life’. She was a young woman murdered in early adulthood. Regardless of who the murderer was, she was deprived of a “great” life. I mentioned her name because she happened to be in the headlines this evening and was an easy one to recall. The post I was responding to asked whether “America was great for those living under the boot of the Jim Crow laws”. I suspect many of those people did not have a “great” life either. That was the point I was trying to make.
After that **Rick Kitchen** jumped in with his politicizing statement and I responded.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/118 "2018-08-22T11:43:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> No, and I believe (in spite of a number of strawmen in this thread) that most right-wingers would have little difficulty acknowledging that America is not perfect.
Remain prolific and resolute, and some day one of your “why do libs hate America?” threads won’t be cheapened by strawmen.
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### Author:  [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/119 "2018-08-22T15:06:18Z")
[quote=“HurricaneDitka, post:117, topic:819934”]
No, it’s not accurate. I brought up Mollie Tibbetts in post #90 only as an example to illustrate my point that ‘I don’t think that every American has always had a “great” life’. She was a young woman murdered in early adulthood. Regardless of who the murderer was, she was deprived of a “great” life. I mentioned her name because she happened to be in the headlines this evening and was an easy one to recall. The post I was responding to asked whether “America was great for those living under the boot of the Jim Crow laws”. I suspect many of those people did not have a “great” life either. That was the point I was trying to make.
[quote]
From what I saw, it sounded like she actually did have a pretty good life until her unfortunate end.
If I wanted to talk about people who did not have a great life, I would talk about the victims of people like Daniel Holtzclaw, a cop who used the authority entrusted to him by the government to rape women he was supposed to protect.
They are still alive, and suffering due to what this native born american did to them.
Shitty that she died, and I feel for her family, but she would be low on the list of people I would go to when talking about those who would quibble with the greatness of america.
What in your mind brings her to the forefront?
> [@](#):
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> After that **Rick Kitchen** jumped in with his politicizing statement and I responded.
He simply stated a fact. Is there anything untrue about what he said?
Why is he politicizing to state a fact in relation to your post, but it is not politicization for you to bring it up in the first place?
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### Author:  [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gov-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great-is-this-a-common-sentiment-on-the-left/819934/120 "2018-08-22T15:25:30Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#):
>
> … Shitty that she died, and I feel for her family, but she would be low on the list of people I would go to when talking about those who would quibble with the greatness of america.
>
> What in your mind brings her to the forefront?
I answered that in post #101. She was in the news last night, and therefore came to mind readily.
> [@k9bfriender](#):
>
> He simply stated a fact. Is there anything untrue about what he said? …
Not as far as I know, just like there was nothing untrue about what I said in post #107 (AFAIK), but the factual accuracy of either post isn’t at issue when Chisquirrel and I were discussing attempts to “politicize the death of a young woman”.
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