# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/181 "2011-02-21T22:10:21Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Of course not. But it would not have hurt me to pay more towards my benefits when I was working full time. The world would have kept turning. > > It’s not bad. Not bat at all. You set your own hours and there’s no heavy lifting.:rolleyes: > > I can’t believe it took over 3 pages for someone to play the race card! Whatever. Sticks and stones. I just can’t pass up what I see as a quintessential example of the privilege one receives by being a white male in this country. It’s crazy. It’s enough to make me understand why Asians get those plastic surgeries. Though we take different paths to get there, we both agree that the Republican agenda in Wisconsin should go forward without interference from the Democratic party. I have **no pity** for the voters of Wisconsin and, to an lesser extent, Ohio who _knowingly_ voted in a high school graduate (no college degree) and a Fox News Broadcaster as their Governor, respectively. This shit wasn’t secret. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/182 "2011-02-21T22:18:27Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Sticks and stones. I just can’t pass up what I see as a quintessential example of the privilege one receives by being a white male in this country. You’re delusional. Get help. About 40 of us retired the year I did (we all fell into the “25 and out” plan) and about half were black (and a 3rd of the African Americans that retired were women). And everyone had the same benefits while we were working and everyone got the same benefits upon retirement. The only variable was the amount of pension payment which rested on the average of the employees 3 highest years. Race had nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/183 "2011-02-21T22:23:17Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > You’re delusional. Get help. > > About 40 of us retired the year I did (we all fell into the “25 and out” plan) and about half were black (and a 3rd of the African Americans that retired were women). And everyone had the same benefits while we were working and everyone got the same benefits upon retirement. The only variable was the amount of pension payment which rested on the average of the employees 3 highest years. Race had nothing to do with it. What does this anecdote have to do with what I originally [posted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13485777#post13485777)? Scott Walker encapsulates what white privilege is. This man has no college degree and was elected to be Governor of Wisconsin. Ohio elected a Fox News Broadcaster as their Governor. It must be nice being white. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/184 "2011-02-21T22:35:16Z")
From [here](http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20110218/NEWS-US-WISCONSIN-PROTESTS/): > [@](#): > > Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker … warned a massive budget deficit left no room to negotiate. That’s democracy for you. The party with the red colored theme won, so now all bow down to Scott Walker. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/185 "2011-02-21T22:35:46Z")
Not ALL of us voted for Walker, **Honesty**. Nearly 47-percent of the people who voted in the fall election didn’t. I don’t know why we should all be fucked over because Walker’s a lying, manipulative weasel. It’s probably pretty easy for you to say that, since you don’t live here and won’t have to live with the immediate consequences of Walker’s idiocy, but even the dumbasses who voted for him shouldn’t have their rights stripped away because they did. Please don’t say that shit. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/186 "2011-02-21T23:02:04Z")
> [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](#): > > Not ALL of us voted for Walker, **Honesty**. Nearly 47-percent of the people who voted in the fall election didn’t. Yeah? Nearly 46% of us didn’t vote for Obama but have to suffer with his policies. When people win elections they tend to try to push their agenda. That’s how it works. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/187 "2011-02-21T23:10:41Z")
It only works if nobody goes crazy. Trying to sabotage your political opposition by legislation, that isn’t “pushing your agenda”. I put the question to you: of the people who voted for this guy, how many of them voted because he promised to cut the nuts off labor unions? Gimmee your best guess. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/188 "2011-02-21T23:27:08Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > My highest base salary was $28/hour and overtime was actually rare. Were you working under a union contract? ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/189 "2011-02-21T23:54:39Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Yeah? Nearly 46% of us didn’t vote for Obama but have to suffer with his policies. When people win elections they tend to try to push their agenda. That’s how it works. Please explain to me which of Obama’s policies are targeted toward stripping away the rights of people who opposed him and his political party in elections, and then maybe the situations will be comparable. But until then? This is Walker and the Republicans who support him being vengeful and denying they have ulterior motives. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/190 "2011-02-21T23:58:57Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Were you working under a union contract? Yes. I had no choice in the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/191 "2011-02-22T00:12:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It only works if nobody goes crazy. Trying to sabotage your political opposition by legislation, that isn’t “pushing your agenda”. I put the question to you: of the people who voted for this guy, how many of them voted because he promised to cut the nuts off labor unions? Gimmee your best guess. **pkbites** knows it’s a big fat zero, because Walker didn’t so much as breathe the suggestion of disempowering labor unions during his campaign or at any point before this bill was introduced just over a week ago. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/192 "2011-02-22T00:16:19Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Yes. I had no choice in the matter. Is there any question in your mind that you would never have made the wages you were receiving (given your education level) without the union contract? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/193 "2011-02-22T00:59:55Z")
As we speak, the lefty blogs are abuzz with stories about Gov Walken and effort to sell state assets in no-bid contracts to…guess who? No, really, go ahead and guess. Rhymes with “cock mothers.” Now, these cites are decidedly lefty, so I will not link, unless requested, as that is too “citey” for these sorts of burgeoning rumors. But I got two bits says they prove to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/194 "2011-02-22T01:00:58Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Is there any question in your mind that you would never have made the wages you were receiving (given your education level) without the union contract? It doesn’t matter. They forced the poor bastard to take their dirty union money! Shoved it right into his wallet. Made him spend it. Haven’t you even taken a second to think about how that made him feel? That’s why he hates unions so much. ---
**Author:** ![FE3O4ENAIL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba9def/32.png) [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/195 "2011-02-22T01:20:42Z")
Can we talk specifics of the Walker Budget? Does anyone have a problem with the part where people can chose to be in the labor union or not? ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/196 "2011-02-22T01:22:58Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > It doesn’t matter. They forced the poor bastard to take their dirty union money! Shoved it right into his wallet. Made him spend it. Haven’t you even taken a second to think about how that made him feel? That’s why he hates unions so much. The union was weak, ineffectual, and greedy. I paid just shy of $1000 a year for next to nothing. The administration bullied us at will, the union did little to stop it, and was overall not instrumental in the pay scale. All full time employees for this municipality received the same benefits and similar pay scales whether they were unionized or not. The difference between us and the other unions was that we had no right to strike. If I had a choice I would not have been a member of any union and would have taken my chances. Either way, your talking about people feeding at the public trough on tax payers backs (this included me). Why do you think public employees should be making the same wages and benefits as those working for private companies? ---
**Author:** ![FE3O4ENAIL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba9def/32.png) [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/197 "2011-02-22T01:30:04Z")
Did you know that the Dems are the ones who put the state employee rights in danger? Lawmakers can’t invalidate existing contracts such as those between labor unions and government employers. Changes to labor law wouldn’t affect unions with contracts. State unions don’t have contracts because Democratic lawmakers narrowly failed to approve them in December. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/198 "2011-02-22T01:33:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As we speak, the lefty blogs are abuzz with stories about Gov Walken and effort to sell state assets in no-bid contracts to…guess who? No, really, go ahead and guess. Rhymes with “cock mothers.” > > Now, these cites are decidedly lefty, so I will not link, unless requested, as that is too “citey” for these sorts of burgeoning rumors. But I got two bits says they prove to be true. In the interest of fighting ignorance, as funny as the names like “Koch Suckers” are, the name is pronounced “coke”, not “cock”. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/199 "2011-02-22T01:43:46Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > The union was weak, ineffectual, and greedy. I paid just shy of $1000 a year for next to nothing. The administration bullied us at will, the union did little to stop it, and was overall not instrumental in the pay scale. All full time employees for this municipality received the same benefits and similar pay scales whether they were unionized or not. The difference between us and the other unions was that we had no right to strike. If I had a choice I would not have been a member of any union and would have taken my chances. > > Either way, your talking about people feeding at the public trough on tax payers backs (this included me). Why do you think public employees should be making the same wages and benefits as those working for private companies? And yet you made $26/hour. You do realize that the rest of the worker bees make way less than that? Don’t you? And your wage had nothing to do with the union? But you would have been willing to work for minimum wage your entire career, with no health care insurance, and no pension, if not for the evil unions, right? That $1000 in union dues would have made up all the difference. Why do you think that those working for public employees should make less than those working for private companies. This makes no sense at all. Are you saying that you were a parasite and therefor all public employees are parasites. If so it sucks to be you. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/200 "2011-02-22T01:46:46Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > And yet you made $26/hour. No I didn’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=11)