# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/341 "2011-02-24T16:38:03Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > This is all well and good. What happens in the meantime… > > As the state suffers through weeks, months maybe years of nonsense with nothing ever getting accomplished, the status quo carried forward in some insignificantly modified way. > > Wisconsin could eventually become the new model for Federal bureaucracy. And here in lies the… well LIE.. The unions had already conceded much of what he was asking for in the agreement that was signed before Walker became Governor. They have conceded all of what he was asking for monitarily since. There is no wait time. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/342 "2011-02-24T16:39:33Z")
Have you guys seen this? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zhZtYRiIho0/hqdefault.jpg "Rachel Maddow - Wisconsin - Survival of the Democratic Party") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhZtYRiIho0) It was posted in another thread that was locked since this one already existed. I’m sure how unbiased Racheal Maddow’s opinion is, but she is suggesting that it is a matter of life and death of the democratic party. The only big contributors to the Democrats campaign came from unions. If Unions can be eliminated, than so can the opposition to Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/343 "2011-02-24T16:39:50Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > No it is their job to be there and vote on the legislation. No, it’s their job to protect their constitutents. It’s called representative democracy. Suck it. The Wisconsin 14 are heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/344 "2011-02-24T16:42:36Z")
Just out of curiosity, why is it that right wingers have such hatred for people who work for a living? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/345 "2011-02-24T16:43:37Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > No it is their job to be there and vote on the legislation. If they don’t like it fine, get a majority in the future and overturn it. Same thing Publicans want to do with national healthcare. I’m sure you feel the same way about the Republicans in the US Senate, who have blocked votes on almost every single bill the Democrats have brought to the floor for the past two years. Just because the US Senate has passed rules that make blocking a vote as simple as picking up a phone, but the rules in the Wisconsin make it a little harder, what they are doing is functionally exactly the same. The minority preventing the majority from being able to vote on their legislation. So how about some denunciation of the Republicans while you’re at it? Showing up to work is not a plus when you refuse to do your job while you’re there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/346 "2011-02-24T17:00:50Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Have you guys seen this? > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhZtYRiIho0&feature=player\_embedded#at=21](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhZtYRiIho0&feature=player_embedded#at=21) > > It was posted in another thread that was locked since this one already existed. > > I’m sure how unbiased Rachael Maddow’s opinion is, but she is suggesting that it is a matter of life and death of the democratic party. The only big contributors to the Democrats campaign came from unions. If Unions can be eliminated, than so can the opposition to Republicans. There is nothing remotely non-biased about Ms Maddow. Why I almost never miss her show. Well, that, and her swan’s neck, girlish giggle, and mind like a steel trap. Sigh. She is probably exaggerating, but not by much. Point being, even if she is wrong about that, the enemies of unions and Democrats clearly believe it is true. Its like ACORN all over again, using the power of the legislature to solidify a particular political persuasions grasp on power. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/347 "2011-02-24T17:19:01Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > IMO this is a chickenshit move by the runaway legislators. It’s like the kid that doesn’t like losing and takes his ball and runs home. They were voted in and are paid to be there and do their job. If they don’t want to do their job they should resign or be removed from that job. Are you against chickenshit moves by both parties, or just Democrats? Because Republicans are the biggest cock on the walk when it comes to chickenshit. It’s about time Democrats started giving as well as they take. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/348 "2011-02-24T17:22:03Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Just out of curiosity, why is it that right wingers have such hatred for people who work for a living? Oh, they don’t hate all of us, just the ones who demand a living wage, benefits and working conditions. All the illegal workers who are too afraid to speak up suit them just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/349 "2011-02-24T17:33:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > But to be fair, **Nadir** is not an idiot. Just to remind everyone here: I’m totally an idiot. But I’m not **Nadir**. ---
**Author:** ![furlibusea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@furlibusea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furlibusea)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/350 "2011-02-24T17:58:03Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > I’d characterize it more as gross malfeasance. Hopefully they are just dumb enough to have overlooked the clause in the state constitution or some law that gets them canned. 😉 A democracy is not a winner take all proposition. It is essential to have an opposition that makes sure that the people not currently in power get their voices heard. Governor Walker refused to have this thing debated he refused to let anyone see it before it hit the floor. He presented it as a _fait acomplit_ and essentialy told the media when he did it that he had the votes and there was not a damn thing that he had to listen to the Democrats about. It was a big old FUCK YOU to the 43 percent of the state that didn’t vote for him. The founders did not intend that government run fast. The procedures like filibuster or quorum were put in place in order to keep one side or the other swing things too fast. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/351 "2011-02-24T18:26:50Z")
> [@furlibusea](#): > > The founders did not intend that government run fast. The procedures like filibuster or quorum were put in place in order to keep one side or the other swing things too fast. I’m on the teachers’ side in this, but I don’t think this is accurate. I don’t think rules of order were established by the founders at all. I know the filibuster only exists because of a mistake the Senate made when it re-wrote its rules in the 19th century, and the founders had specifically discarded similar ideas when discussing the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/352 "2011-02-24T18:32:19Z")
> [@furlibusea](#): > > A democracy is not a winner take all proposition. It is essential to have an opposition that makes sure that the people not currently in power get their voices heard. True. But at the end of the day, somebody _is_ going to win and somebody _is_ going to take _something_. WI democrats just cannot seem to swallow the fact that it will not be them this time around. The GOP is in power, and they _are_ going to win this round, no mater how dastardly, evil or underhanded anyone feels it is, true or not. I suppose it sucks to be a dem or public union worker in WI right now, but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. Conservative tides are swelling everywhere these days, not just in the U.S., either. Traditional bastions of liberal ideology in places like France are about to crumble as well. The pendulum has swung. Get over it, do your job, buck up, work for more change, whatever. Be a man (or woman) and get with the program. Don’t be a whiny, whimpering little schoolboy (or girl) running away from problems and crying like nobody loves you. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/353 "2011-02-24T18:45:35Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > True. But at the end of the day, somebody _is_ going to win and somebody _is_ going to take _something_. WI democrats just cannot seem to swallow the fact that it will not be them this time around. The GOP is in power, and they _are_ going to win this round, no mater how dastardly, evil or underhanded anyone feels it is, true or not. I suppose it sucks to be a dem or public union worker in WI right now, but that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. > > Conservative tides are swelling everywhere these days, not just in the U.S., either. Traditional bastions of liberal ideology in places like France are about to crumble as well. The pendulum has swung. Get over it, do your job, buck up, work for more change, whatever. > > Be a man (or woman) and get with the program. Don’t be a whiny, whimpering little schoolboy (or girl) running away from problems and crying like nobody loves you. :smack: Actually, a whiny, whimpering little schoolboy would probably fold like a cheap suit and take whatever scraps the Republicans choose to give him. Fuck that forever. Progressivism WILL win out; the forces of Conservatism (as it exists right now) are, at their root, based in fear, hatred, and ignorance. There will be no “getting over it”, and the civilized among us WILL drag your sorry caveman asses into the future, whether you like it or not, by the motherfucking hair, if we have to. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/354 "2011-02-24T18:51:40Z")
**Nadir** - In the long run, Conservatism always loses. That is a historical fact. Get with the program and lead the change, rather than try to hold back the ocean. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/355 "2011-02-24T18:58:57Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Since Walker as county board president (or whatever his formal title was) of Milwaukee County has been trying to gut the Milwaukee bus system for years, and blocking any effort to have a rail system, the proponents of the bill probably consider that a feature and not a bug. :mad: Walker doesn’t **want** Wisconsin to accept federal aid for any transport mode except highways and airports. :rolleyes: Unlike this union-busting business, that was something he **was** quite open about in his gubernatorial campaign. And this might cost him, too, because there’s a big light rail and public transport move going on in Minnesota, and people in Wisconsin hoped for some of that money. So that’s how Republicans create jobs----by turning them down and cutting people’s pay, which means they spend less money and reduce the amount of spending power they have? Meanwhile, in Minnesota, the Union Depot project is going to bring 3,000 jobs to the economically dead downtown St. Paul area and consolidate all the various forms of transport in one central area. Who’s going to feed those 3,000 workers? Do their dry cleaning? Guard their cars in the parking lots, or sell them books and magazines and beer and stuff for dinner on their way home? Jobs create jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/356 "2011-02-24T19:06:48Z")
Big transportation projects in this country have a history for abysmal failure - either outright or becoming financial black holes for the governments supporting them. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/357 "2011-02-24T19:12:44Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > Big transportation projects in this country have a history for abysmal failure - either outright or becoming financial black holes for the governments supporting them. Cite? I know! Let’s let people lose jobs because they can’t afford cars. Or get anywhere, because gas is too expensive. And all that. I know this is a shock, but sometimes, the government helps its citizens because they need help. And what does your comment have to do with my comment at all? That’s at least 3,000 jobs that weren’t there before. _Do_ find a reason as to why that’s bad. I’d love to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Burton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Burton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burton)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/358 "2011-02-24T19:28:18Z")
“According to this Virginia is the 6th wealthiest state overall in the United States…” That would be Northern Virginia across the Potomac from DC. Take away Fairfax county and the horse country a little further out and they drop like a stone. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/359 "2011-02-24T19:33:07Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Cite? [http://www.cato.org/pub\_display.php?pub\_id=9958](http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9958) So if that “big light rail and public transport” crap is your argument for the WI unions, they need to find some better supporters. :rolleyes: Just another big pork-sucking democrat supporter you are, bitch. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/360 "2011-02-24T19:33:23Z")
Amen Burton. Take away Loudon and Fairfax and I would think VA would drop to mid 20’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=19)