# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/521 "2011-02-27T05:14:43Z")
Who is guaranteed the loss of a job? Who has given up the law of the land, and in what way? Who is getting an unjust ride, and how is it unjust? If you can be brief and informative, bless you. But brief and enigmatic? Not so much. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/522 "2011-02-27T05:16:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > 1. The Governor can compel senators to attend sessioss of the senate. > > 2. It is not illegal for a senator to refuse to attend a session of the senate. > > These statements are both true. These statements do not contradict each other. > > That sound was Bodhi’s head asploding. > > Game. Set. Match.Walker doesn’t need any help in that regard. He can and will compel the senators to attend session if they show up in WI. They can refuse, but they will be compelled to attend. That is also fact. That and your inability to grasp those simple facts shows that you can not grasp the word contradiction. As for my head “asploding”… seriously mate, get with reality, you could not fight your way out of a wet paper bag in the literary sense. Lastly, Walker is accomplishing exactly what needed to happen, it will just be nice to see the democrats in WI impale themselves on the stake of due process as this pans out. Holding the legislature hostage because they do not have the majority was a foolish thing to do and it is one that will eventually cause their demise. Public unions, your free ride at the public’s expense is about to end ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/523 "2011-02-27T05:16:33Z")
> [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > Guaranteed loss of job. Nothing like giving up on the law of the land to defend your unjust ride. You realize firing hundreds of police officers will trigger statewide strikes by all police, fire, teachers and prison guards, right? Yeah, that will teach 'em. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/524 "2011-02-27T05:19:08Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > …OK, perhaps you _haven’t_ been observing the US political scene for the last 20 odd years. My apologies. Closer to fifty. Odd years, indeed. Apology accepted with sincerity equal to the offering. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/525 "2011-02-27T05:19:24Z")
> [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > He can and will compel the senators to attend session if they show up in WI. They can refuse, but they will be compelled to attend. At least you have abandoned that nonsense about senators breaking the law. Concession noted. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/526 "2011-02-27T05:19:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Who is guaranteed the loss of a job? Who has given up the law of the land, and in what way? Who is getting an unjust ride, and how is it unjust? > > If you can be brief and informative, bless you. But brief and enigmatic? Not so much. If the police officers joining the protesters were legally ordered to remove the protesters and they they refused and instead joined the protest, they are refusing to obey a lawful order. That will have consequences. If they are there and “armed” as part of the protest, the ramifications will be much, much worse for them. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/527 "2011-02-27T05:21:59Z")
Its uncanny how alike these guys are, in tone, syntax, and attitude. Its almost like…like… _Send in…the clones There must be…clones…_ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/528 "2011-02-27T05:22:13Z")
My GOODNESS, the shill migration has started. Another new one! Welcome, shill…what’s the going rate for an online propaganda launcher? ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/529 "2011-02-27T05:25:16Z")
**elucidator** , I’m mostly amazed at how they are all experts on legislative procedure in Wisconsin. I’m so glad they’re here to explain it to us. But shills! Hey, do you guys know the Koch brothers? Do they maybe sign your paychecks? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/530 "2011-02-27T05:26:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You realize firing hundreds of police officers will trigger statewide strikes by all police, fire, teachers and prison guards, right? > > Yeah, that will teach 'em. Firing those that refuse to obey lawful orders is the only responsible recourse. If that is not the course of action taken, then any time some law enforcement officer feels as though their pension and collective bargaining rights are threatened they will choose to not follow his/her orders they can and will do so. That sure sounds like a guarantee of due process. Actually, it sounds more like extortion. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/531 "2011-02-27T05:28:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > At least you have abandoned that nonsense about senators breaking the law. Concession noted. I have done no such thing. Conspiracy is a very ugly term and it is an ugly deed be conspired by those democratic senators. Then again, it is not like we could expect Holder to follow the law of the land. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/532 "2011-02-27T05:30:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > My GOODNESS, the shill migration has started. Another new one! Welcome, shill…what’s the going rate for an online propaganda launcher? Label all you would like. Does not change the fact that what is happening by your party is nothing more than an attempt at political extortion. It will end badly for your party. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/533 "2011-02-27T05:30:30Z")
Been a long, long time since I saw a TV talking head say “union goons” with a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/534 "2011-02-27T05:35:37Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > You would defend ACORN? I thought the case made for their corruption was pretty clear. Do you mean from last June, when they were cleared of any improprieties? [Cite](http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10648r.pdf). [Cite summarized](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/15/preliminary-report-clears-acorn/). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/535 "2011-02-27T05:38:38Z")
I really love that the modern head of the liberal mentality said this: > [@](#): > > Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations Care to guess who? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/536 "2011-02-27T05:38:52Z")
> [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > I have done no such thing. You should have, while you had the chance. > [@](#): > > Conspiracy is a very ugly term and it is an ugly deed be conspired by those democratic senators. Conspiracy is only a crime if you conspire to break the law. Which they didn’t, because there is no law requiring them to attend senate sessions. The governor can send the state police after them, but there is no law against not attending, so there is no illegal conspiracy when they plan to do it. Get it now, or should I draw you a picture? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bodhi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f14d63/32.png) [@The\_Bodhi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bodhi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/537 "2011-02-27T05:41:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You should have, while you had the chance.Conspiracy is only a crime if you conspire to break the law. Which they didn’t, because there is no law requiring them to attend senate sessions. The governor can send the state police after them, but there is no law against not attending, so there is no illegal conspiracy when they plan to do it. > > Get it now, or should I draw you a picture? Conspiracy to deprive WI due political process is one I would be willing to bet on if push comes to shove. Care to place a wager on whether that is a prosecutable sir? I forgot to add that a picture would be just dandy. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/538 "2011-02-27T05:42:39Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > Do you mean from last June, when they were cleared of any improprieties? > [Cite](http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10648r.pdf). > [Cite summarized](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/15/preliminary-report-clears-acorn/). Mr. Lebowski, can I buy you a Caucasian? Or an area rug? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/539 "2011-02-27T05:46:18Z")
> [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > Label all you would like. Does not change the fact that what is happening by your party is nothing more than an attempt at political extortion. That’s the best kind of extortion. Starting sweat now, are you? > [@](#): > > It will end badly for your party. [61% of the public think Walker is wrong](http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/02/23/public-dislikes-wisconsin-gov-scott-walkers-union-busting). It is going to end badly for someone, but it ain’t the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/540 "2011-02-27T05:48:46Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That’s the best kind of extortion. Starting sweat now, are you?[61% of the public think Walker is wrong](http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/02/23/public-dislikes-wisconsin-gov-scott-walkers-union-busting). It is going to end badly for someone, but it ain’t the Democrats. Yep. And the longer it goes on, and the more Wanker is shown as a Kochsucker, the higher that number is going to go. Scales falling from eyes, etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=28)