# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/683 "2011-02-28T15:17:57Z")
I see, **Agnostic Pagan**. From now on, whenever I ask somebody how gutting unions balances the books and creates jobs, and the answer is, “You’re a lightweight and a sheep!”, why, I just accept my defeat like a man and try to find a way, somehow, to pick up the pieces of my shattered psyche and move on with the rest of my life… somehow… ---
**Author:** ![Agnostic\_Pagan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Agnostic\_Pagan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agnostic_Pagan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/684 "2011-02-28T15:35:06Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I see, **Agnostic Pagan**. From now on, whenever I ask somebody how gutting unions balances the books and creates jobs, and the answer is, “You’re a lightweight and a sheep!”, why, I just accept my defeat like a man and try to find a way, somehow, to pick up the pieces of my shattered psyche and move on with the rest of my life… somehow… I am sure that you will find solace … somewhere. I think I heard kneeling and chanting are involved. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/685 "2011-02-28T17:05:37Z")
> [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](#): > > Do you really want Rebecca Kleefisch to be governor? It could be a very large accident. > [@Assi](#): > > I once heard a messiah say, “Elections have consequences” > > I hope Walker rams this down their throats. Yes, I hope he does keep trying to ram this down everyone’s throats, so they truly understand the consequences of voting from ignorance. The best thing that could possibly come out of this mess would be for middle- and lower-class Republicans to finally wake up and realize that their party sold them out decades ago, and has spent the time since then manipulating them into voting against not only their own best interests, but the interests of the country as a whole. So thank you, Scott Walker, for finally thrusting hard enough while you fuck everybody who isn’t a rich white man that they start to turn around and go, “Wait a minute…” > [@Lobohan](#): > > Keep fuckin’ that chicken. Ahahaha, I’d forgotten about that. > [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > link fail especially when it comes from the king of bias… Hrm, interesting that someone has been here five minutes and yet thinks they have a grasp on who’s biased… > [@asterion](#): > > The sheer amount of cognitive dissonance is staggering. Actually, cognitive dissonance is the stress caused by holding two mutually contradictory ideas. What’s staggering is the sheer \*lack \*of cognitive dissonance, as these idiots appear perfectly cheerful to shout about things like keeping your government hands off their Medicare, which can only prove one thing: how fucking retarded some people are. > [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > Instead of refuting with a “No”, why not explain why allowing public employees to collude to acquire levels of benefits and salaries that are not generally seen in the private sector… Ooh, ooh, I know this one! Employees of the State of Wisconsin make \*\*FIVE PERCENT LESS \*\*than they would in private-sector jobs. And that’s factoring in education, experience, salary/wages, benefits, and hours worked. The average state employee could get themself a substantial raise in total compensation by quitting their job and going to work for a company instead of the government. > [@The\_Bodhi](#): > > Concessions are a guarantee, because the state can not continue to fund the salary and benefit packages at current levels. [Sure it can. Easily.](http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/116955013.html) But Walker would rather take the money from the middle class than make corporations and the megarich pay their fair share. 1.) Fact: Public employees in Wisconsin make measurably less than their private-sector counterparts. 2.) Fact: Public employee pensions are funded entirely by the employees themselves, as part of their total compensation (i.e., [the pensions are deferred wages](http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/UBEN-8EDJYS)). 3.) Fact: The “crisis,” as cited by Governor Walker, is a shortfall of $137 million in a biennial budget ($68.5 each year over two years). 4.) Fact: A temporary 1.5% tax on the richest 1% of Wisconsinites, only on annual income above $260,000, would generate over $168 million. 5.) Fact: The \*annual \*difference between what Wisconsin corporations pay in state and local taxes and what they would pay if they contributed the national average is over $1.3 **billion**. That’s **$1,300 million** , if you have problems comparing numbers that aren’t in the same format. > [@Lobohan](#): > > Jesus, I just want a smart god-damned Republican. Can we just get one smart fucking Republican to argue issues in Great Debates? I want a unicorn to ride to work that shits gold and diamonds. > [@Gordon69](#): > > I can confirm they are NOT the same person. Tongue in one asshole while you had a finger up another two feet away? ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/686 "2011-02-28T17:30:03Z")
What exactly is someone’s “fair share”? Is it something like from each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/687 "2011-02-28T17:32:14Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > What exactly is someone’s “fair share”? Is it something like from each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs? And all the pork you can eat. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/688 "2011-02-28T17:32:53Z")
\*and… It sounds like a lot of public employees in Wisconsin need to go work in the private sector; they’d be better off financially. I wonder why they don’t? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/689 "2011-02-28T17:51:59Z")
Because some people enjoy working to help everybody else? Doing things like, say, educating our children, so that we don’t end up with a society full of ignorant criminals. I know, it’s a concept you have a really hard time with. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/690 "2011-02-28T18:02:56Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Because some people enjoy working to help everybody else? Doing things like, say, educating our children, so that we don’t end up with a society full of ignorant criminals. > > I know, it’s a concept you have a really hard time with. It really does sum up how many conservatives think eg: - I don’t like helping people - Money is king - I would never work for less money just to do a job that helps people - Therefore, people in the public service must be just like me, and must be getting way too much money to do the disgusting job of “helping people”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/691 "2011-02-28T18:04:23Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > \*and… It sounds like a lot of public employees in Wisconsin need to go work in the private sector; they’d be better off financially. > > I wonder why they don’t? I guess this goes with his superhero origin history. \*\*superslug \*\*must have hatched in a cave and he just came out, it is the only explanation why he has missed the long jobless recovery in the private sector. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/692 "2011-02-28T18:05:45Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > What exactly is someone’s “fair share”? Is it something like from each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs? I’d think basing it on average marginal utility of any given dollar, but that’s remarkably hard to pin down scientifically. Wait! We can approximate it by having people pay slightly higher percentages as their income rises, and cap it so that even at the highest bracket (for an individual, 6-7x the amount that the average household makes, that seems pretty fair to me) it’s still only around a third of income. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/693 "2011-02-28T18:07:34Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > And all the pork you can eat. > **[Top lawmakers' father Stephen Fitzgerald to lead State Patrol](https://madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_5dbcb93c-3394-11e0-8091-001cc4c03286.html)** > > Steve Fitzgerald, the father of the state's top lawmakers, Scott and Jeff Fitzgerald, has been named to lead the Wisconsin State Patrol. You mean like this. This guy is almost ready to retire but he gets an appointment for 105 K that immediately increases his retirement. Walker is a lying hypocritical prick working for the rich ,who just are not getting their fair share. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/694 "2011-02-28T18:11:13Z")
America, land of towering irony. Just a few months back, we witnessed a spectacle of greed and incompetence previously unimaginable. Some of the best-paid “workers” in the world robbed us blind, pillaged pension funds, gutted the savings of millions of lesser paid folk, and looted the public like no one ever dreamed was possible. And we had to rescue their sorry asses, because otherwise the tower of shit they had constructed would fall over and crush us. Consequences? Rather a stern talking to. A firm “tsk tsk!” was delivered. Old folks who had looked forward to a well-earned, secure but modest retirement took jobs as Wal-Mart greeters, having no choice. Non-union jobs, of course, we wouldn’t want to encourage their avarice, now would we? And here we are. Talking about the dreadful greed and dishonesty of people who’s yearly salary wouldn’t cover their social betters bar tabs for the year. Surely, we mustn’t tax their asses off, we simply cannot squeeze money from them. Why, that would be class war! We gasp in horror at the very idea of class war, don’t we? What goddam fucking union do those assholes belong to? What vital services do they perform such that they earn a thousand times more than a fireman, a teacher, or a social worker? Must be something vital, something we cannot do without. Am I missing something here, or is everybody else? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/695 "2011-02-28T18:11:47Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’d think basing it on average marginal utility of any given dollar, but that’s remarkably hard to pin down scientifically. Wait! We can approximate it by having people pay slightly higher percentages as their income rises, and cap it so that even at the highest bracket (for an individual, 6-7x the amount that the average household makes, that seems pretty fair to me) it’s still only around a third of income. \ I don’t understand many of them big words you use, but it still sounds like commy-unism to me! \ ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/696 "2011-02-28T18:14:25Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > 1.) Fact: Public employees blah, blah, blah… > > 2.) Fact: Public employee pensions blah, blah, balh… > > 3.) Fact: The “crisis,” blah, blah, blah… > > 4.) Fact: A temporary 1.5% tax on the richest b;ah, blah, blah… > > 5.) Fact: The \*annual \*difference between, blah, blah, … > > I want a unicorn to ride to work that shits gold and diamonds. Wouldn’t “_shit_ from guns” be a more appropriate screen name for you? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/697 "2011-02-28T18:14:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Am I missing something here, or is everybody else? Those who make hundreds or thousands of times more than the average citizen must, **by definition** , be better people, who should be honored by the lower (less worthy) folks. That’s what you’re missing, and is the attitude of many conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/698 "2011-02-28T18:55:15Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > Wouldn’t “_shit_ from guns” be a more appropriate screen name for you? :rolleyes: I agree with you. These using these “fact” thingamajiggers to prove one’s point is stupid. We should just call each other stupid names, or something, and not make any point what so ever… ---
**Author:** ![TravisFromOR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cc9497/32.png) [@TravisFromOR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TravisFromOR)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/699 "2011-02-28T18:57:59Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Those who make hundreds or thousands of times more than the average citizen must, **by definition** , be better people, who should be honored by the lower (less worthy) folks. > > That’s what you’re missing, and is the attitude of many conservatives. Well, Jesus said that the rich were better people than the poor, didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/700 "2011-02-28T18:59:57Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > Wouldn’t “_shit_ from guns” be a more appropriate screen name for you? :rolleyes: How original. Pssst, you also did a terrible job at distracting people from the truth. Also, you broke a board rule by changing my words. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/701 "2011-02-28T19:01:26Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > Wouldn’t “_shit_ from guns” be a more appropriate screen name for you? :rolleyes: I commend you on your own choice of screen name. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/702 "2011-02-28T19:01:46Z")
> [@Assi](#): > > I’ll try to remember it is offically President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. I’m really loathe to engage teh stoopid and I’ll likely be sorry, but I gotta ask…what? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=36)