# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1003 "2011-03-04T06:54:35Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Why would you buy products from organizations that support agendas that you don’t support? Because the Simpson’s are on Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1004 "2011-03-04T06:55:57Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Do members have choice in whether or not or how much they pay in dues? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1005 "2011-03-04T07:01:37Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > I watched [FRONTLINE](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=bigimage&utm_source=bigimage)this week and couldn’t help but wonder if this was also happening with higher education. The thing that bugs me is that federal money is going more and more to private-for-profit universities (in the form of student loans–which is turning out to be bad for the student, but good for the school). Which means as this industry gets larger, they will lobby for more and more funds at the expense of public and private non-profit institutions. Now is this good or bad? I don’t know. What about tenure? What if you wish to be outspoken about new ideas? Has any of the for-profits shown innovation or academic accomplishments or are they just assembly line machines with accreditation? Well, I wonder what the schools would look like if we made state schools free and got rid of some of the subsidies for private universities. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1006 "2011-03-04T07:04:28Z")
> [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](#): > > Well, gosh, **Damuri Ajashi** , how are you going to balance the budget without a budget bill that says [insurance companies don’t have to cover birth control anymore](http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14176688)? > > Oh, that’s right. Insurance companies and birth control have _nothing_ to do with the state budget. Why is it in a budget bill, then? Fuck if I know. Well obviously birth control is reducing the number of future taxpayers… ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1007 "2011-03-04T07:09:15Z")
Who will be stupid and uneducated after the funding for schools is cut and the education system is privatized, so that nobody but the super-rich can afford to be educated. The 19th-century is _fascinating,_ but I do not want to live there. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1008 "2011-03-04T08:35:00Z")
> [@Agnostic\_Pagan](#): > > And then that money goes from their pockets to Office Depot to buy supplies for their students. > > How soon do you think workers would start striking if private workers were required to do the same? > > “Here is your workstation. Orientation will be at 1pm, make sure you have your computer set up by then.” > > “Um, what computer.” > > “You don’t have one? I guess you can give you a half-hour to go get one. Not on the clock of course.” > > “Uh?” > > I think their work environment has a bit more to do with their political activity then their compensation does, though it does play a factor, because they have no assurances their contract will be valid past any given election. Kind of like if a auto mechanic showed up for work with no tools… ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1009 "2011-03-04T13:46:10Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Kind of like if a auto mechanic showed up for work with no tools… Do you work in IT? I kind of think you don’t because no one uses their own computers and software except for outside contractors, and even then it’s not always. I do, and believe me I would be more efficient if I were allowed to use the good stuff I have at home, but the network and security people would have a fit. ---
**Author:** ![Gordon69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@Gordon69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon69)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1010 "2011-03-04T14:01:04Z")
[![](https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/assets/mc/jtaylor/bokunions.jpg) ](https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/assets/mc/jtaylor/bokunions.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1011 "2011-03-04T14:11:49Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You don’t? > > The statement was > [ul][li]Public employees pay union dues out of their salaries.[/li][li]Their salaries are paid out of taxes.[/li][li]Taxpayers pay taxes. [/li][li]Ergo, public union dues come from the taxpayer.[/ul]So, maybe not “straight” from the taxpayer, but ultimately. [/li] > It will now be necessary for the Usual Suspects to insist that I was talking about something else, which is why they are the Usual Suspects and are better mocked than debated, especially in the Pit. > > Regards, > Shodan Bullshit. I am a public employee. I get a salary which is mine. Once it is my money, I can pay union dues (actually I’m not unionized) or I can stuff it down a stripper’s g string. It is MY money to do whatever I want with. My salary is public business. What I do with it is mine. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1012 "2011-03-04T15:21:04Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Do you work in IT? I kind of think you don’t because no one uses their own computers and software except for outside contractors, and even then it’s not always. I do, and believe me I would be more efficient if I were allowed to use the good stuff I have at home, but the network and security people would have a fit. What does this have to with teachers crying about having to provide their own computers? ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1013 "2011-03-04T15:24:02Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bullshit. I am a public employee. I get a salary which is mine. Once it is my money, I can pay union dues (actually I’m not unionized) or I can stuff it down a stripper’s g string. It is MY money to do whatever I want with. My salary is public business. What I do with it is mine. Most public employee union members do not have that freedom. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1014 "2011-03-04T15:42:19Z")
Duh. Generally they can pay union dues, which give them full rights in voting or they can pay a lesser representation fee, to underwrite the cost of negotiating their contracts. In any event, they pay their own dues out of their own paychecks. Once the paycheck is issued, those funds cease to be taxpayer funds. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1015 "2011-03-04T15:49:30Z")
“duh” is such an irrefutable retort… ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1016 "2011-03-04T16:05:07Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > “duh” is such an irrefutable retort… That as far as you made it when reading the post? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1017 "2011-03-04T16:15:37Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > That as far as you made it when reading the post? When your thesis is “all public employees are scum and how they spend every cent they make is my concern” then yeah, it’s probably as far as he got. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1018 "2011-03-04T16:38:56Z")
[Palm trees grown in Madison apparently.](http://theuptake.org/2011/03/02/attention-fox-news-palm-trees-dont-grow-in-wisconsin/) I was hoping Stewart would have pointed this out last night. Though I suppose at this point, showing footage of Bill’o lying would be it’s own nightly show. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1019 "2011-03-04T16:39:54Z")
Everybody working at a union place benefits from the contracts the union fights for. Their salaries and benefits and security were fought for by the union. before you ever got there. If people had the option of working in a union shop while not paying union dues, many would. It is more money in their pockets. People are like that. The rich love it when they can set the people against each other. While the rich are looting the shit out of the system, our attention is focused on unions, teachers and janitors ,who some of you fools think too much money. As a segment of the working class gets their salaries and benefits slashed, it makes it so all workers salaries can be cut. Why should they pay you more when teachers have to work cheaply? You will not have an option of government work, because who wants the jobs when their rates and benefits are gone.? God you are are Pavlovian stupid. They ring a bell and you start salivating at the bad teachers robbing your tax money. But the money is rapidly going to the wealthy. The corporate bosses have increased their salaries and benefits by over 1000 percent in the last couple decade. That is where your money and opportunities are going. Unions are not the problem. They are the solution. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1020 "2011-03-04T16:41:55Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > That as far as you made it when reading the post? When a retort begins with “duh”… They yes, that’s as far as I’m going to make it. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1021 "2011-03-04T16:56:40Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > When a retort begins with “duh”… They yes, that’s as far as I’m going to make it. Then allow me to help. “Generally they can pay union dues, which give them full rights in voting or they can pay a lesser representation fee, to underwrite the cost of negotiating their contracts. In any event, they pay their own dues out of their own paychecks. Once the paycheck is issued, those funds cease to be taxpayer funds.” No “Duh” in front. That should allow you to respond to the content of the post. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1022 "2011-03-04T17:12:46Z")
I know that some public employee unions are set up that way. The vast majority, however, are not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=52)