# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1043 "2011-03-05T00:33:19Z")
And… I’ll post as many one liners as I want. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1044 "2011-03-05T00:36:14Z")
Because allowing public employees to bargain collectively with the politicians that they help elect goes against the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1045 "2011-03-05T00:40:29Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Because allowing public employees to bargain collectively with the politicians that they help elect goes against the public interest. Because? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1046 "2011-03-05T00:46:57Z")
As a taxpayer, aren’t I, by definition, a member of “The Public?” ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1047 "2011-03-05T00:48:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As a taxpayer, aren’t I, by definition, a member of “The Public?” That depends, are you a liberal? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1048 "2011-03-05T00:49:33Z")
Gotcha, trolly; maybe you should change your name to **supersmug**. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1049 "2011-03-05T00:50:09Z")
You’re skipping ahead a few steps. 😃 I was trying to keep in simple for **slug** and **Sam**. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1050 "2011-03-05T00:51:37Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Because allowing public employees to bargain collectively with the politicians that they help elect goes against the public interest. Sorry. I already posted: Everybody knows that removing the right of public employees to collectively bargain goes against the public interest. And my unsupported premise trumps yours. Just because it does. (see: right up there in post #1032. It’s been said. So it is true. Your argument is now worthless.) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1051 "2011-03-05T01:03:02Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Because allowing public employees to bargain collectively with the politicians that they help elect goes against the public interest. They are part of the public too. Teachers in South Dakota make 35,200 a year. Gotta cut that back. that is way too much for a person with an expensive education. The public interests demand they work for minimum wage. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1052 "2011-03-05T01:07:29Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > And… I’ll post as many one liners as I want. And stupid is what stupid does…:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1053 "2011-03-05T01:26:48Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > They are part of the public too. Teachers in South Dakota make 35,200 a year. Gotta cut that back. that is way too much for a person with an expensive education. The public interests demand they work for minimum wage. 35.2k.. 180 (days) \* 7 (hours) = 1260 (hours) = $27.94 per hour Even with your worst case scenario (which is exactly why you pulled SD teachers out of you ass), it’s still the best paying non-labor part-time job in the world. OMG!!! YOU’VE GOT TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN COMPUTER!!!1!!ELEVENTYONE!! ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1054 "2011-03-05T01:28:57Z")
But that is NOT what this thread is about. This thread is about whether or not Walker is justified in attempting to strip public unions from their ability to bargain collectively. I say yes. It goes against the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1055 "2011-03-05T01:29:07Z")
Banning collective bargaining by public employees is against the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![Nadir](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nadir/32/7302_2.png) [@Nadir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nadir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1056 "2011-03-05T01:29:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That’s the invention of your fevered-yet-strangely-underpowered brain. Aptly put. I like to avoid getting carried away like that (at least font size-wise) by my calm-yet-strangely-powered brain. 😛 > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Once the employee gets paid it ceases to be taxpayer money … Uh, yeah. That pesky little “time” concept. One moment it’s taxpayer money, the next it’s not. Cha-ching! I heard somewhere you can also purchase space with money if you have enough time. Not too sure 'bout that one, tho. 😉 So “it’s none of my fucking business” what my taxpayer dollars get spent on after they are collected? Once it’s in the public coffers, it’s none of my business? Or does that only happen at the point when the civil servant cashes their paycheck? Help me out here - I’m having a little trouble with that “time” concept at various points along the tax flow conversion to none-of-my-fucking-business phenomenon. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1057 "2011-03-05T01:36:08Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > 35.2k.. > > 180 (days) \* 7 (hours) = 1260 (hours) = $27.94 per hour > > Even with your worst case scenario (which is exactly why you pulled SD teachers out of you ass), it’s still the best paying non-labor part-time job in the world. > > OMG!!! YOU’VE GOT TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN COMPUTER!!!1!!ELEVENTYONE!! [A little perspective](http://scout.wisc.edu/Projects/PastProjects/NH/96-01/96-01-31/0043.html). ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1058 "2011-03-05T01:37:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Jesus Fucking Christ. Once the employee gets paid it ceases to be taxpayer money and is the employee’s to do with what he sees fit. If they want to pay union dues with it or stuff it down a strippers g string or snort it up their nose is none of your fucking business. Sometimes I can’t fucking believe how dense you and Shodan are. Once again for the reading challenged: THAT’S NOT MY ARGUMENT. Try reading what I’m actually saying, rather than what the little caricature of me that’s in your head says. ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1059 "2011-03-05T01:37:04Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Because allowing public employees to bargain collectively with the politicians that they help elect goes against the public interest. I’d support this if it went all the way and not some stupid baby step. What we need to do is stop people who benefit from tax dollars from voting period, or they’re just going to vote in people who promises them a bigger slice of the pie. So: [ul] [li]Politicians - Yeah, run or hold office and you don’t get to vote. You’d just vote yourself a raise.[/li][li]Government Employee (From janitor to teacher to file clerk to soldier to White House Chief of Staff) - No vote, you’d just vote in people who would give you a raise.[/li][li]Work for a business applying for or possessing a government contract - No voting. You’d just elect people who would give you bigger contracts for less returns.[/li][li]Welfare - Hell no do you get to vote. Stop sucking the collective tit, fuckers.[/li][li]Medicare/Medicaid - No to you too. You’d just vote for people who promise not to take it away. Get private insurance, slacker.[/li][li]Social Security Recipients - Yeah… no. Still living off the government dollar. Wal Mart needs new greeters, you lazy bastards.[/li][li]People who use tax money funded resources such as Police, Fire, or public roads and schools - Look, you’re just going to elect the guy who promised to fix the potholes and prevent your house from burning down while teaching your kid how to read. How about we let someone unbeholden to the powers that be do it, huh?[/li][/ul]When the only people who can vote are the crazy survialist militias in Idaho we’ll final solve this problem once and for all. You’ll see. > [@Nadir](#): > > Uh, yeah. That pesky little “time” concept. One moment it’s taxpayer money, the next it’s not. Cha-ching! > > … > > Help me out here - I’m having a little trouble with that “time” concept at various points along the tax flow conversion to none-of-my-fucking-business phenomenon. It’s not possible to be this stupid and still manage to breathe. How’s the ventilator? ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1060 "2011-03-05T01:43:51Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [A little perspective](http://scout.wisc.edu/Projects/PastProjects/NH/96-01/96-01-31/0043.html). Maybe next contract you can bargain with the politician that your union bought to pay you per student. (unless your ability to bargain collectively is removed) ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1061 "2011-03-05T01:48:02Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > I’d support this if it went all the way and not some stupid baby step. What we need to do is stop people who benefit from tax dollars from voting period, or they’re just going to vote in people who promises them a bigger slice of the pie. > > So: > [ul] > [li]Politicians - Yeah, run or hold office and you don’t get to vote. You’d just vote yourself a raise.[/li][li]Government Employee (From janitor to teacher to file clerk to soldier to White House Chief of Staff) - No vote, you’d just vote in people who would give you a raise.[/li][li]Work for a business applying for or possessing a government contract - No voting. You’d just elect people who would give you bigger contracts for less returns.[/li][li]Welfare - Hell no do you get to vote. Stop sucking the collective tit, fuckers.[/li][li]Medicare/Medicaid - No to you too. You’d just vote for people who promise not to take it away. Get private insurance, slacker.[/li][li]Social Security Recipients - Yeah… no. Still living off the government dollar. Wal Mart needs new greeters, you lazy bastards.[/li][li]People who use tax money funded resources such as Police, Fire, or public roads and schools - Look, you’re just going to elect the guy who promised to fix the potholes and prevent your house from burning down while teaching your kid how to read. How about we let someone unbeholden to the powers that be do it, huh?[/li][/ul]When the only people who can vote are the crazy survialist militias in Idaho we’ll final solve this problem once and for all. You’ll see. > > It’s not possible to be this stupid and still manage to breathe. How’s the ventilator? I like the idea that the framers had… Only land owners get to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Wash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9dc877/32.png) [@Wash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wash)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1062 "2011-03-05T01:51:57Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > 35.2k.. > > 180 (days) \* 7 (hours) = 1260 (hours) = $27.94 per hour > > Even with your worst case scenario (which is exactly why you pulled SD teachers out of you ass), it’s still the best paying non-labor part-time job in the world. > > OMG!!! YOU’VE GOT TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN COMPUTER!!!1!!ELEVENTYONE!! You’re even stupider than I thought if you think teachers only work 7 hours a day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=54)