# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1203 "2011-03-06T15:26:35Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > To expound on the last post… > > It is a common liberal fallacy to claim that their is a physical limit to a nation’s wealth; that the rich are hording it and keeping it from the po folk. There is a common phrase among conservatives that is utterly foreign to liberals: > > Wealth _Creation_ > > Instead of bitching about all those rich bastards having too many cookies… > > MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING COOKIES! > > And I’ll tell you.. wealth creation has nothing to do with using a public employee union as a prybar to extract more and more money from the taxpayer. > > That, in my humble opinion, goes against the public interest. No, being stupid is mostly harmless, trying to push stupid ideology and lies as facts is against the public interest. Have you ever checked history and noticed how wealthy Roosevelt was? And a good number of the new American rich are not conservative. > **[Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America:...](https://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Change-Liberal-Remaking-America/dp/047017711X)** > > Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America \[Callahan, David\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1204 "2011-03-06T15:34:44Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, being stupid is mostly harmless, trying to push stupid ideology and lies as facts is against the public interest. > > Have you ever checked history and noticed how wealthy Roosevelt was? And a good number of the new American rich are not conservative. > > [Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America: Callahan, David: 9780470177112: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Change-Liberal-Remaking-America/dp/047017711X) Well.. They surely didn’t come about their wealth by being liberals. People like Gates and Forbes came into their wealth by being hard-core capitalists. Perhaps it’s the guilt of having so much that makes them become bleeding hearts? ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1205 "2011-03-06T15:37:39Z")
And as long as we’re making reading suggestions… > **[Pathology of the Elites: How the Arrogant Classes Plan to Run Your Life: Beran,...](https://www.amazon.com/Pathology-Elites-Arrogant-Classes-Plan/dp/1566638747)** > > Pathology of the Elites: How the Arrogant Classes Plan to Run Your Life \[Beran, Michael\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. Pathology of the Elites: How the Arrogant Classes Plan to Run Your Life ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1206 "2011-03-06T15:41:24Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Like that? Now you’re arguing the **Superslug** Way ™! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1207 "2011-03-06T15:43:23Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > And as long as we’re making reading suggestions… > > [Pathology of the Elites: How the Arrogant Classes Plan to Run Your Life: Beran, Michael: 9781566638746: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Pathology-Elites-Arrogant-Classes-Plan/dp/1566638747/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b) Reading Michael Beran books is against the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1208 "2011-03-06T15:44:03Z")
Her name is Rio and she dances on the sand… ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1209 "2011-03-06T15:44:14Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Well.. They surely didn’t come about their wealth by being liberals. People like Gates and Forbes came into their wealth by being hard-core capitalists. Perhaps it’s the guilt of having so much that makes them become bleeding hearts? Tap dance all you like, but what you said was a stinky lie, you said liberals can not ever know about wealth creation, I have read about Gates, and he knows how lucky he was, and just by taking his atheism into account, there are a lot of conservative causes that he would not be much attracted to. As I said, I’m glad you are posting more, now besides the dumb column we can add you into the liars one. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1210 "2011-03-06T15:45:18Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Reading Michael Beran books is against the public interest. Of course it goes against your interest. You live in a sheltered liberal cocoon. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1211 "2011-03-06T15:45:23Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Now you’re arguing the **Superslug** Way ™! I don’t think he is super, he is just the former. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1212 "2011-03-06T15:49:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Tap dance all you like, but what you said was a stinky lie, you said liberals can not ever know about wealth creation, I have read about Gates, and he knows how lucky he was, and just by taking his atheism into account, there are a lot of conservative causes that he would not be much attracted to. > > As I said, I’m glad you are posting more, now besides the dumb column we can add you into the liars one. The liberal model does not account for wealth creation. all rich socialists are former capitalists or trust fund babies. Isn’t the liberal mantra all about fairness and equality? How can it be fair that Gates stole all of that wealth from the worker? It’s no wonder he’s attempting to give it all away. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1213 "2011-03-06T16:02:20Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > The liberal model does not account for wealth creation. all rich socialists are former capitalists or trust fund babies. > > Isn’t the liberal mantra all about fairness and equality? How can it be fair that Gates stole all of that wealth from the worker? It’s no wonder he’s attempting to give it all away. When you hit high score, you play a different game. It’s pretty funny that you use a monopolist as an example of what you think a wealth creator is. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1214 "2011-03-06T16:07:02Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Well.. They surely didn’t come about their wealth by being liberals. People like Gates and Forbes came into their wealth by being hard-core capitalists. False dichotomy. It’s funny when conservative brag about what great wealth creators they are. Just look at the solid conservative south to see the results of conservative policies. Last in almost every possible metric: wages, per-capita GDP, education, health, life expectancy, divorce rate, out of wedlock birth, etc. The wealth in the US is disproportionately created in the liberal states. California, the home of Silicon Valley, had an education system that was the envy of the world until conservatives destroyed it and now its economy is hurting. The medium we are using now came about because of govt sponsored research. A strong public/private partnership is what made this country an economic powerhouse. I know you guys are still mad that you can’t push around black people, beat up fags, or pay women less for the same job, but get over it. I don’t think the country is ready to go back to the days before the 40 hour work week and overtime pay, when limbs were lost in unsafe machinery and miners had black lung and all the other crap associated with a “free market”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1215 "2011-03-06T16:07:33Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > The liberal model does not account for wealth creation. all rich socialists are former capitalists or trust fund babies. Another lie. > [@superslug](#): > > Isn’t the liberal mantra all about fairness and equality? How can it be fair that Gates stole all of that wealth from the worker? It’s no wonder he’s attempting to give it all away. AFAIK Gates is just leaving several million dollars to his kids, The huge big rest will go to his foundations and charity work. So yes, one can be rich and liberal, and wealth needs to be taxed for the public interest. > **[Equality: Thomas Jefferson to James Madison](http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s32.html)** > [@](#): > > The property of this country is absolutely concentered in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of them having as many as 200 domestics, not labouring. They employ also a great number of manufacturers, and tradesmen, and lastly the class of labouring husbandmen. But after all these comes the most numerous of all the classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. > > I asked myself what could be the reason that so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are kept idle mostly for the aske of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be laboured. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. > > The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree is a politic measure, and a practicable one. \*\*Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. \*\* > > Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. - Thomas Jefferson. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1216 "2011-03-06T16:12:28Z")
I need to hear this… Just what is the recipe for liberal wealth creation that doesn’t compromise their (so called) “integrity”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1217 "2011-03-06T16:15:32Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I need to hear this… Just what is the recipe for liberal wealth creation that doesn’t compromise their (so called) “integrity”? That what you seek is called a straw man, you little grasshopper (or slimer?). No liberal here said that compromises are not possible, in fact many liberals here are of the pragmatic kind. I think you are going for the old and discredited notion that liberals are also socialists or communists. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1218 "2011-03-06T16:18:22Z")
Pragmatic liberal is an oxymoron. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1219 "2011-03-06T16:22:52Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Pragmatic liberal is an oxymoron. One again, only if you erroneously believe that liberals are communists. The evidence is there that there are indeed liberals that create wealth and that they do believe that they also have a duty to help their society. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1220 "2011-03-06T16:23:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I think you are going for the old and discredited notion that liberals are also socialists or communists. Apparently you didn’t get the memo. Socialist and communist are no longer terms we use (for some reason they indicate racism). The new term is “progressive.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1221 "2011-03-06T16:27:26Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Apparently you didn’t get the memo. Socialist and communist are no longer terms we use (for some reason they indicate racism). The new term is “progressive.” Show me a definition of progressive that includes being a socialist or communist or we will just add this to another lie of yours. > **[Progressivism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism)** > > Progressivism is a left-leaning political philosophy and reform movement that seeks to advance the human condition through social reform. Adherents hold that progressivism has universal application and endeavor to spread this idea to human societies everywhere. Progressivism arose during the Age of Enlightenment out of the belief that civility in Europe was improving due to the application of new empirical knowledge. > In modern political discourse, progressivism is often associated with social... > [@](#): > > In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: **an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them**. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1] ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1222 "2011-03-06T16:28:31Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > One again, only if you erroneously believe that liberals are communists. > > The evidence is there that there are indeed liberals that create wealth and that they do believe that they also have a duty to help their society. I only see evidence of former hard-core capitalists with a guilty conscience… Just look around this board.. All you’ll find are very emotional pleas to take more cookies away from all those rich bastards. Because it’s just not fair. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=62)