# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1223 "2011-03-06T16:29:48Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > All you’ll find are very emotional pleas to take more cookies away from all those rich bastards. Because it’s just not fair. Or in the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1224 "2011-03-06T16:30:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Show me a definition of progressive that includes being a socialist or communist or we will just add this to another lie of yours. The New Deal. The Great Society. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1225 "2011-03-06T16:32:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Or in the public interest. Creating a dependent class is not in the public interest. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1226 "2011-03-06T16:34:33Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Creating a dependent class is not in the public interest. Yet that is exactly what we have done, much to our shame. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1227 "2011-03-06T16:36:12Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Creating a dependent class is not in the public interest. _Whoosh!_ ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1228 "2011-03-06T16:36:14Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I only see evidence of former hard-core capitalists with a guilty conscience… Funny thing to say to an atheist like Gates. > [@superslug](#): > > Just look around this board.. All you’ll find are very emotional pleas to take more cookies away from all those rich bastards. Because it’s just not fair. The reason why you are attempting (and failing) to make a good point is that there are many rich people that did learn from history and know that society has to have safety nets and offer help to the less well to do with tools like taxation. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1229 "2011-03-06T16:46:41Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > To expound on the last post… > > It is a common liberal fallacy to claim that their is a physical limit to a nation’s wealth; that the rich are hording it and keeping it from the po folk. There is a common phrase among conservatives that is utterly foreign to liberals: > > Wealth _Creation_ > > Instead of bitching about all those rich bastards having too many cookies… > > MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING COOKIES! I think you missed the point about maldistribution. You seem to be under the impression that the free market always distributes the fruits of production equitably between capital and labor. If the wealthy want the working class to make their cookies, perhaps the wealthy should pay the working class for doing so, or they can make their own damn cookies. Its not like they don’t own the ovens. > [@](#): > > And I’ll tell you.. wealth creation has nothing to do with using a public employee union as a prybar to extract more and more money from the taxpayer. > > That, in my humble opinion, goes against the public interest. It depends on how you define the public. You seem to be arguing that the taxpayer’s interest = the public interest. Our tax system does not tax people according to how much government service they consume. The family with 4 kids in public school pays no more in taxes than an otherwise similarly situated family with 1 child in private school. The parents with 4 children in public school might very well be in favor of increasing teachers salaries and giving them all sort of assurances to make teaching an attractive career option for really capable people. I would also point out that in many jurisdictions, the taxes are largely paid by a small group of wealthy while the services are enjoyed broadly. So to the extent that you are equating taxpayers with the public, you are equating the wealthy to the public. Now whether or not you agree that those with more should pay disproportionately more or not is another debate but when you equate taxpayer to public interest without considering the consumer of government services, that is what you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1230 "2011-03-06T16:48:02Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Well.. They surely didn’t come about their wealth by being liberals. People like Gates and Forbes came into their wealth by being hard-core capitalists. Perhaps it’s the guilt of having so much that makes them become bleeding hearts? I think you are confusing liberal with communist ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1231 "2011-03-06T16:48:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The reason why you are attempting (and failing) to make a good point is that there are many rich people that did learn from history and know that society has to have safety nets and offer help to the less well to do with tools like taxation. What you are describing are former hard-core capitalists with guilty consciences. Of which, Bill Gates is a perfect example. he was ruthless in his heyday. Maybe a Wozniac or Jobs is closer to the ideal of a self-made wealthy liberal… But all of these people used ruthless capitalist tactics to create their wealth. Come on… Name one. That isn’t some sort of entertainer. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1232 "2011-03-06T16:49:34Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > The New Deal. > > The Great Society. Actually, socialists in America declined in number because they could not offer a better idea than the new deal, as it is clear, several American rich people then supported the efforts to reform and not to end the capitalism system. > **[New Deal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal)** > > The New Deal was a series of wide-reaching economic, social, and political reforms enacted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States between 1933 and 1938, in response to the Great Depression, which had started in 1929. Roosevelt introduced the phrase upon accepting the Democratic Party's presidential nomination in 1932 before winning the election in a landslide over incumbent Herbert Hoover, whose administration was viewed by many as doing too little to help those affected. Roos... > [@](#): > > In 1934, Roosevelt defended himself against his critics, and attacked them in his “fireside chat” radio audiences. Some people, he said: > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > will try to give you new and strange names for what we are doing. Sometimes they will call it 'Fascism,' sometimes 'Communism,' sometimes 'Regimentation,' sometimes 'Socialism.' But, in so doing, they are trying to make very complex and theoretical something that is really very simple and very practical.... Plausible self-seekers and theoretical die-hards will tell you of the loss of individual liberty. Answer this question out of the facts of your own life. Have you lost any of your rights or liberty or constitutional freedom of action and choice?[95] > > > > ``` So for the taxonomic chart of the SSlug we have so far: Dumb Liar And now.. Willful ignorant. Keep adding to the rows sluggie, when in the future you pretend to be a smart guy I will link to your posts here as evidence of what you really are. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1233 "2011-03-06T16:52:10Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think you are confusing liberal with communist > [@](#): > > I think you missed the point about maldistribution. You seem to be under the impression that the free market always distributes the fruits of production equitably between capital and labor. > > If the wealthy want the working class to make their cookies, perhaps the wealthy should pay the working class for doing so, or they can make their own damn cookies. Its not like they don’t own the ovens. Who’s confusing what? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1234 "2011-03-06T16:53:32Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > Maybe a Wozniac or Jobs is closer to the ideal of a self-made wealthy liberal… But all of these people used ruthless capitalist tactics to create their wealth. > > Come on… Name one. That isn’t some sort of entertainer. Once again, that straw man is fun to hit by you, but it shows all present that you are still stupid enough to try it again. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1235 "2011-03-06T16:56:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think you missed the point about maldistribution. You seem to be under the impression that the free market always distributes the fruits of production equitably between capital and labor. > > If the wealthy want the working class to make their cookies, perhaps the wealthy should pay the working class for doing so, or they can make their own damn cookies. Its not like they don’t own the ovens. Why does everyone here insist on inserting arguments about private industry when this thread is clearly about public unions? I couldn’t care less if private industry unionizes. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1236 "2011-03-06T17:05:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No, being stupid is mostly harmless, trying to push stupid ideology and lies as facts is against the public interest. > > Have you ever checked history and noticed how wealthy Roosevelt was? And a good number of the new American rich are not conservative. > > [Fortunes of Change: The Rise of the Liberal Rich and the Remaking of America: Callahan, David: 9780470177112: Amazon.com: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Fortunes-Change-Liberal-Remaking-America/dp/047017711X) I am well aware of the elite ruling class; they are your masters. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1237 "2011-03-06T17:06:11Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Once again, that straw man is fun to hit by you, but it shows all present that you are still stupid enough to try it again. \You won’t even touch that one with a ten foot pole, will you? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1238 "2011-03-06T17:15:25Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > \You won’t even touch that one with a ten foot pole, will you? Making the straw man bigger does not help. (Are you so ignorant that you don’t realize how dumb you look now?) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1239 "2011-03-06T17:19:51Z")
> [@superslug](#): > > I am well aware of the elite ruling class; they are your masters. So you will have to obey them as you offer no other good solution like the American socialist or communist parties. Having many of them be capitalists is not a deal breaker or a cause to not follow or fund liberal causes. As much as your want your straw man to be valid, it actually makes me hopeful for the future. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1240 "2011-03-06T17:20:49Z")
I’m ignorant because you can’t name one self-made independently wealthy liberal who didn’t start out as a die-hard capitalist? The key to liberal success is to have LOTS of conservatives to confiscate wealth from. OR… to start out as a capitalist and gain guilt and conscience with age. ---
**Author:** ![superslug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@superslug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superslug)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1241 "2011-03-06T17:22:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So you will have to obey them as you offer no other good solution like the American socialist or communist parties. Having many of them be capitalists is not a deal breaker or a cause to not follow or fund liberal causes. As much as your want your straw man to be valid, it actually makes me hopeful for the future. Your masters call them “useful idiots.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/1242 "2011-03-06T17:27:36Z")
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