# Govenor Scott Walker (R) WI **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743 "2011-02-17T20:56:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/121 "2011-02-20T02:15:23Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I don’t give a flying fuck. This isn’t about the issue. It’s about the rule of law. You want me to say again that this bill is terrible? Fine, it’s terrible. It’s wrong. It shouldn’t be passed. I’d never vote for it. I’d never vote for anyone who did vote for it. It’s a blatant political attack on the unions that didn’t support Walker disguised as a budget cutting bill. Walker is a scumbag. Wisconsin Republicans are scumbags. Is that vehement enough for you? That still doesn’t make what the Wisconsin senators are doing is right. Its no worse than a filibuster and if the voters don’t like it they can vote them out. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/122 "2011-02-20T02:21:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Except when Republicans do it, they are “being obstructionist,” which you see as a bad thing. IOKWADDI, right? Its one thing to be obstructionist when someone presents an extreme position, whether you vote for it or not we are going to shove this down your throats. Its another thing when someone ressurects a half ass idea that YOUR former presidential candidate offered 15 years ago and then waters it down to please you even more and every member5 of your party stands in unison against it because they claim its so extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/123 "2011-02-20T02:30:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > well, I’m afraid that yes, Virginia, there is liberal hypocrisy. I’m afraid you’re wrong. That doesn’t mean that liberal hypocrisy doesn’t exist generally. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/124 "2011-02-20T02:34:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A “dump motel”? What, you only check in to take a shit? Unless the Clocktower has undergone a serious upgrade since the last time I was there, I would agree with the “dump” assessment ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/125 "2011-02-20T02:51:02Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Alright, let me change that to “almost nothing”. > > Before I retired the family plan health insurance cost $70 a month. That included myself, my wife, and our 3 kids had they still been living at home. Not $70 each, $70 total. What private employee get’s health insurance for $70 a month for a family of 5? The dental plan was $6 a month. Period. Six bucks for 5 people. And both plans were crazy good. The only co-pays were a $15 doctor office visit, and $10 for a three month supply of any medication prescribed. The dental plan had one $20 deductible, per patient, per year. EVERYTHING else was covered 100% on both plans. > > Think an insurance company can do all that for $70 bucks a month for 5 people? Guess who paid the rest? **YOU DID!** Thanks! 🙂 > Oh, and I didn’t have to contribute one cent towards my pension. There was a separate investment plan, but it was not mandatory to participate and it did not affect ones pension either way. My pension was calculated using my 3 highest years income salary which was $63, $68, and $83K. No way would I have made that in the private sector with my level of education. So, wait. Do you WANT them to strip your pension and reduce your retirement benefits? Cuz that’s where this is headed. Or do you just want to make sure that everyone who comes after you doesn’t get as good a retirement as you do? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/126 "2011-02-20T02:51:16Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > So, what if the democrats do this on every single bill they don’t like? ? > > \*Concealed Carry > \*Constitutional carry > \*Repealing the race reporting requirement for police > \*Repealing the smoking ban > \*Repealing the hospital tax > \*Etc. > > These are all controversial issues that may come up this session. > Last November the Democrats were completely neutered. They lost the Governorship, the State Senate, and the State Assembly. They even lost their leadership as key, long term Democrats were tossed out of office. Rather than just take their lumps, lick their wounds, retool, and try to take the 2 branches of the legislature back in '12 and the Governors mansion back in '14, they are resorting to subverting the entire democratic process. > > Cowards! Who cares about what else the democrats do this to? That has nothing to do with the thread you’re in right now. The democrats left because the republicans tried to ram through a piece of legislation containing a very clear union busting part and they wanted to get some publicity for the bill. That’s what happened now and that is what you clearly want to debate as opposed to debating the bill that caused this and give any reason why the objectionable part of the bill should even be in it at all. The health care bit? You’ll argue that. Pension taxes? Sure. What do you think about the removal of collective bargaining? Will that even save any money at all? If that’s too hard for you, you can go right on whinging about them yellow bellied democrats. That and inflating your opinions seems to be all you’re good at, so you might be better off sticking with what you know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/127 "2011-02-20T02:57:17Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > …The sense of entitlement some people have is disgusting. You should talk to a hedge fund manager sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/128 "2011-02-20T02:57:25Z")
Republicans swept into power in 2010 because voters were trying to give Obama middle finger. How else can you explain how very progressive states like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin letting their State governments be controlled by Republicans? Now you have Wisconsin and Ohio with no federal money for high speed rail and legislatures itching to solve deficits on the backs of working people. Far as I’m concerned, voters made their bed in the previous election so now they should be forced to lay in it. My non-helpful, “black-supremacist” view: Scott Walker encapsulates what white privilege is. This man has no college degree and was elected to be Governor of Wisconsin. Ohio elected a [Fox News Broadcaster](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9uIIWvoS_A) as their Governor. It must be nice being white. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/129 "2011-02-20T03:02:18Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > The filibuster is an established rule in the United States Senate. Show me where leaving the state and hiding in an Illinois dump motel is part of the parliamentary procedure rules established for the Wisconsin State Senate. The quorum requirement. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/130 "2011-02-20T03:08:21Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > So **Pkbites** ; > > Essentially you’re saying you got yours and didn’t really deserve it and now no one else can get theirs not matter how modest theirs is in comparison to yours? What are you willing to give back? When are you going to respond to this **Pkbites**? What are you willing to give back/give up? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/131 "2011-02-20T03:10:22Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Republicans swept into power in 2010 because voters were trying to give Obama middle finger. How else can you explain how very progressive states like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin letting their State governments be controlled by Republicans? They were pissed off about the economy? > [@](#): > > Scott Walker encapsulates what white privilege is. This man has no college degree and was elected to be Governor of Wisconsin. Ohio elected a [Fox News Broadcaster](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9uIIWvoS_A) as their Governor. It must be nice being white. Yeah, academic underachievement seems to be a bit more common among the more visible components of the conservative movement than you would expect. Perhaps the lack of exposure to liberal academic elites give you conservative street cred. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/132 "2011-02-20T03:11:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So, wait. Do you WANT them to strip your pension and reduce your retirement benefits? Cuz that’s where this is headed. Of course not. But it would not have hurt me to pay more towards my benefits when I was working full time. The world would have kept turning. > [@Honesty](#): > > It must be nice being white. It’s not bad. Not bat at all. You set your own hours and there’s no heavy lifting.:rolleyes: I can’t believe it took over 3 pages for someone to play the race card! ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/133 "2011-02-20T03:11:47Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > My non-helpful, “black-supremacist” view: > > Scott Walker encapsulates what white privilege is. This man has no college degree and was elected to be Governor of Wisconsin. Ohio elected a [Fox News Broadcaster](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9uIIWvoS_A) as their Governor. It must be nice being white. Degrees don’t neam all that much either…looking at the White House… ---
**Author:** ![Page\_Fault](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ad7895/32.png) [@Page\_Fault](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Page_Fault)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/134 "2011-02-20T03:13:53Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Who cares about what else the democrats do this to? That has nothing to do with the thread you’re in right now. The democrats left because the republicans tried to ram through a piece of legislation containing a very clear union busting part and they wanted to get some publicity for the bill. That’s what happened now and that is what you clearly want to debate as opposed to debating the bill that caused this and give any reason why the objectionable part of the bill should even be in it at all. > > The health care bit? You’ll argue that. Pension taxes? Sure. What do you think about the removal of collective bargaining? Will that even save any money at all? > > If that’s too hard for you, you can go right on whinging about them yellow bellied democrats. That and inflating your opinions seems to be all you’re good at, so you might be better off sticking with what you know. This is what I don’t get. Can people honestly argue that this is a GOOD thing? And yes, I know some people will. I know a lot of people bitch about unions and such in my home state, and I always ask them if they even paid attention in 8th grade history. I usually get a blank stare and have to prompt them about coal miners. And then remind them that there was a movie made about it. Usually, they still don’t know what I’m talking about. What is it they say about people who don’t learn from history? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/135 "2011-02-20T03:16:17Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Oops, Dio, I did a little searching and found your foot in your mouth. From [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261922&postcount=27), you moan and wail about the Republicans being purely obstructionist on health care reform: > And in this thread you are totally OK with the Democrats being obstructionist on this Wisconsin cost-cutting bill. > > How’s your own ass taste, Dio? Like I said, retard, it depends on what’s being obstructed. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/136 "2011-02-20T03:16:32Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Of course not. But it would not have hurt me to pay more towards my benefits when I was working full time. The world would have kept turning. So you concede that your basic argument is “I got mine”, I didn’t deserve it, sucks to be you? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/137 "2011-02-20T03:25:27Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Republicans swept into power in 2010 because voters were trying to give Obama middle finger. Hmmm, did I miss a national referendum yes or no vote on cutting $100B out of discretionary spending this fiscal that was on the ballot in every State, votes were cast by a majority of adults, and there was a clear majority (let’s just say 60%+). No, that didn’t happen. Would appreciate it if all and sundry fuckwits would quit trying to claim a “mandate.” Wisconsin is showing that the Governor has a mandate for jack shit. \*I don’t want to join a union, think that unions get some sweet benefits I don’t (including President’s day holiday), am appalled by mandatory unions, equally appalled by no secret ballots, ad nauseum. But I would much rather see union unions die away because no one wanted to jin them and it made economic sense for workers not to join the union. Not because some Governor decides he wants to manufacture a crisis and ram through legislation under less than the full spotlight of democracy to bust the unions that don’t support him. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/138 "2011-02-20T03:43:11Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > So you concede that your basic argument is “I got mine”, I didn’t deserve it, sucks to be you? The people that work for the employer I worked for will get the exact same deal I did. It wouldn’t hurt them to pay a bit towards those benefits any more than it would have hurt me to. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/139 "2011-02-20T03:46:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Like I said, retard, it depends on what’s being obstructed. Agreed–that’s what you are saying now. But when the Republicans did it you bemoaned obstruction itself. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743/140 "2011-02-20T03:53:06Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > The people that work for the employer I worked for will get the exact same deal I did. > > It wouldn’t hurt them to pay a bit towards those benefits any more than it would have hurt me to. But that isn’t what they are being asked to do is it? They are not being offered the exact same deal as you. They are being told that they will not even close to the exact same deal as you had. Are you willing to accept, retroactively the deal they get? If not, why not? Are you willing now to pay retroactively more for the benefits you receive? If not, why not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/govenor-scott-walker-r-wi/571743.md?page=8)