# Government conspiracies and secret technology. Why don't they just tell us??? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 11, 1999, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304 "1999-11-11T11:22:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![NITWATCH2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@NITWATCH2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NITWATCH2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 1999, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/41 "1999-12-11T08:38:00Z")
**DANIEL P BOSTAPH** : I stand corrected over the NEUTRON BOMB. There was and is a bunker under the White House and Washington, DC. The one you mention is the main MILITARY one. The SUBMARINE story I can no longer verify because I read about it 20 years ago. The last I heard, the Neutron Bomb was proscribed by public outcry in the 1970s, though you are correct, that does not mean we do not have it. Kiss my ass you rude bastard. Who pulled your chain anyhow? Go screw yourself. * * * The Night Watch always knows things. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 1999, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/42 "1999-12-12T15:52:00Z")
1- There is no bunker under the White House. No structure designed by man could provide any protection against the multiple warheads that would be targeted on the Capitol. And the shelter that I refered to is **explicitly intended for political leaders, not military.** 2- As I mentioned, the submarine model story has been covered on this website before. Check the Archives. Not the postings archives, but the archives listing the columns written by Cecil Adams. The spying thing is an Urban Legend. I don’t care where you “heard it”. 3- If you are going to post innaccurate nonsense on this site, prepare to be blasted. We are all dedicated to eliminating ignorance–but nobody told us to be “sweetness & light” while we do it. 4- I will not “kiss your ass”; instead, I choose to kick it. * * * Save The Endangered Jackalope! Send Cash Now! If You Do This, I Will Use The Cash To Save Any Jackalope That I Happen To Find! Send Cash Now! Before It’s Too Late! My Bills, I Mean **The Jackalope’s Bills** Are Due The 15th Of The Month! _This has been a message from the Illuminated Committee To Save The Jackalope. Fnord._ ---
**Author:** ![NITWATCH2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@NITWATCH2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NITWATCH2)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 1999, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/43 "1999-12-13T04:11:00Z")
**BRING FRIENDS. MANY, MANY FRIENDS.** * * * The Night Watch always knows things. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Raven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Erik\_Raven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erik_Raven)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 1999, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/44 "1999-12-13T13:04:00Z")
Dude, there is a bunker under the White House. Haven’t you ever seen Dave? And in a correct, it is still being used. That’s where they make UN cyborgs. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 1999, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/45 "1999-12-14T12:34:00Z")
[Moderator Hat: ON] NITWATCH2 said: > [@](#): > > Kiss my ass you rude bastard. Who pulled your chain anyhow? Go screw yourself. Cool it. Now. Any future messages of this type in this thread will be deleted. * * * David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator [Moderator Hat: OFF] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 1999, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/46 "1999-12-15T00:03:00Z")
I stand by the accuracy of my statements. No White House Bunker. No Plastic model spy scandal. Neutron Bomb, not cobalt. Period. \ “At the Straight Dope, we do not take votes on the facts.”-- Thus spake the Great Cecil.\ * * * Save The Endangered Jackalope! Send Cash Now! If You Do This, I Will Use The Cash To Save Any Jackalope That I Happen To Find! Send Cash Now! Before It’s Too Late! My Bills, I Mean **The Jackalope’s Bills** Are Due The 15th Of The Month! _This has been a message from the Illuminated Committee To Save The Jackalope. Fnord._ ---
**Author:** ![BIGmatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a698b9/32.png) [@BIGmatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIGmatt)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 1999, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/47 "1999-12-15T11:31:00Z")
Hmmm… well it would appear that my plan to cause a ‘debate’ succeeded beyond my best projections (in the words of a true scientist). I appreciate that despite the fact that this (fairly heated) debate has brought useful information into the open, things can get a bit out of hand. You can still argue, just be a bit more… erm… ‘diplomatic’ about it, please??? I would be very surprised if there was a bunker under the Whitehouse for several reasons: i)It is (the Whitehouse, that is) probably the primary target for the better part of China & Russias nukes ii)It would be the first place that everyone would flock to if they thought there was going to be a nuke strike (to try and get to cover) iii)The government knows that a direct hit from multiple nukes would simply vapourise their bunker, so they’re not likely to put it on a primary target city site like Washington DC anyway Then again, they could have put it there just for the convenience… but I doubt it. I like the idea of secrets being given away by toy makers… if only for the irony… but I doubt that any true secrets would be allowed out of the country in something so obvious. Oh and daniel p bostaph - you are right about the neutron bomb, except that it still left loads of fallout in the immediate area around ground zero and in the upper atmosphere (I think). Besides, I’m sure that the military have concocted much more effective ways of generating mass destruction now than the ‘N-bomb’. * * * “Now be quiet before I rather clumsily knight you with this meat cleaver” - Edmund Blackadder ---
**Author:** ![spankboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@spankboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spankboy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 1999, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/48 "1999-12-26T12:46:00Z")
I think we got off on the wrong fork a while back. I believe the OP was in the vein of ‘why does the gov’t keep information classified after xx time’ which evolved into military secrets and the like. We all know that there are things which should be kept secret, from stealth fighters to the actual receipe of Coca Cola. I think (feel free to correct me) what the OP was getting as is why there is/are still docs from the government concerning non-military stuff that are still locked up? What kind of weirdness were some of the presidents into where we have to lock down files for 100 years? Did Abe Lincoln have some bizarre opium-leather-and-whores thing going on that would destroy the fabric of the country? Additionally, if there were aliens, I wouldn’t tell anyone, just because I don’t think world citizenry would deal with it very well. Would there be widespread panic? Would religions break down? I think the discovery of actual aliens would make the whole Y2K thing look insignificant in comparison. There’s a conspiracy theory for ya-the ‘X-Files’, ET, and all these other shows are mentally conditioning us for the revealing of aliens…_grin_ PS: For what it’s worth, it wasn’t a sub, it was either the YF-22 or YF-23 that turned into a model. But, it turned out okay, because it was the one the military didn’t select…_g_ * * * From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee- ---
**Author:** ![spankboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@spankboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spankboy)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 1999, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/49 "1999-12-26T12:59:00Z")
And here’s a little something for the way-out-there conspiracy types… [http://www.yami.se/art/96/hagd/proj/everything.htm](http://www.yami.se/art/96/hagd/proj/everything.htm) * * * From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee- ---
**Author:** ![Phaedrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@Phaedrus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phaedrus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 1999, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/50 "1999-12-26T17:10:00Z")
spankboy: Wake up and spill the coffee! It all goes back to the grassy knoll! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 1999, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/51 "1999-12-27T02:19:00Z")
Phaedry sez: > [@](#): > > It all goes back to the > grassy troll! You were on weed, & could still shoot like that? Damn, Phadry! 😉 * * * “Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.”----Jung ---
**Author:** ![Phaedrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@Phaedrus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phaedrus)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 1999, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/52 "1999-12-27T04:57:00Z")
Hey, Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor, what can I tell ya? I’m a deadly shot no matter what kind of intoxicant I’m on, get it? 😉 :::::::blows smoke from end of barrel::::: Go ahead, make my day… 😉 The Phade ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 1999, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/53 "1999-12-28T02:34:00Z")
spankboy wrote: > [@](#): > > And here’s a little something for the way-out-there conspiracy types… > [http://www.yami.se/art/96/hagd/proj/everything.htm](http://www.yami.se/art/96/hagd/proj/everything.htm) Now how can this be a “universal” conspiracy theory if it doesn’t even include the Trilateral Commission?! * * * The truth, as always, is more complicated than that. ---
**Author:** ![FORMERAGENT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a3d4f5/32.png) [@FORMERAGENT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FORMERAGENT)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2000, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/54 "2000-01-04T22:55:00Z")
funny thing is, most of the conspiray theories are true… i should know, i worked there. most whacky shit is true… X-files UNDERSTATES reality so badly that the truth scares people. So its left hidden cause humans would be scared of what REALITY is these days. if you agree that the information should be out and to the public… visit my chat room on gov’t reform, its one of my proposed changes to the status quo. Mike ---
**Author:** ![Robbnn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@Robbnn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robbnn)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2000, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/55 "2000-01-06T20:25:00Z")
'kay, I talked to the government. They’ve agreed to come clean about all coverups. Here he comes now… “Ahem… there have been no coverups. None. Yep that’s right. We okay now?” There he goes… One utterly pervailing reason why the Gov’t would cover up an alien crash at Roswell would be to glean as much knowledge of the alien tech as possible. I wouldn’t tell anyone. Would you? Why share that kind of advantage? I’m sure the gov’t WISHES an alien would crash around here somewhere. But it’s never gonna happen… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2000, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/56 "2000-01-07T02:10:00Z")
The losers NEVER QUIT!!! * * * “Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.”----Jung ---
**Author:** ![BIGmatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a698b9/32.png) [@BIGmatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIGmatt)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2000, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/57 "2000-01-14T11:44:00Z")
I couldn’t agrre more… 🙂 * * * “You can have the afternoon off when you die” - Edmund Blackadder ---
**Author:** ![Cooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Cooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cooper)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2000, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/58 "2000-01-14T22:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > funny thing is, most of the conspiray theories are true… i should know, i worked there. You worked in the MIB office? Can you get me one of them little squid babies? Those suckers are so cutes! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gigoloman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@Gigoloman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gigoloman)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2000, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/59 "2000-01-14T23:05:00Z")
[http://www.freepress.com/news/nw/qcops21.htm](http://www.freepress.com/news/nw/qcops21.htm)[http://www.msnbc.com/local/knbc/335543.asp](http://www.msnbc.com/local/knbc/335543.asp) Theres a link to some conspiracies. Have fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yamo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecae2f/32.png) [@yamo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yamo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2000, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304/60 "2000-01-15T00:05:00Z")
There was an article in the local alternative paper almost 10 years ago about tests on US civilians using directed energy weapons to sicken and destabalize the targets. Written by a member of Veterans of the American Intelligence Community. I wrote and they sent me a packet of info. Under the tape(Lots of Tape!) were hairs. I think it was a spy trick but not sure… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-conspiracies-and-secret-technology-why-dont-they-just-tell-us/17304.md?page=4)