# Government Shutdown 12/22: Real Shutdown, Bullshit Shutdown, or No Shutdown? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 15, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174 "2018-12-15T12:40:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim_r.mortiss/32/142_2.png) [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_R.Mortiss)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/21 "2018-12-15T16:44:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Freedom from what? You prefer anarchy? Actually, yes. I can’t think of anything good that the government does for me. But I don’t want to veer this thread off topic so I’ll leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/22 "2018-12-15T16:51:20Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > Actually, yes. I can’t think of anything good that the government does for me. But I don’t want to veer this thread off topic so I’ll leave it at that. Off the top of my head: The CDC, the EPA, the FBI, the courts, SSDI, the military, the interstate highway system. Even though prevented somewhat in the age of Trump, it’s better to have these things than not. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/23 "2018-12-15T23:00:02Z")
My take: Congress passes a bill, kicking the can down the road for another two weeks. No funding for the wall so Trump vetoes it. Government shuts down. Now what? Are there enough votes to override? There are if the Republicans are afraid this will come back to haunt them, but will take a while. So real shutdown (unless the asshole blinks, always possible). ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/24 "2018-12-15T23:12:52Z")
I voted bullshit shutdown, since I doubt they could get their act together. But who is coming back to DC in time to open the government back up? If the Republicans are called back, cutting into their vacation (some of them their last vacation in Congress 😃 ) they will be royally pissed. Which is good. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/25 "2018-12-15T23:53:21Z")
I voted Real Shutdown. I think _incompetence_\* and _stubbornness_\*\* are about to collide with _calling a bluff_\*\*\* and _having nothing to lose_\*\*\*\*, and I don’t the think the presence of _a bunch of mentally challenged do-nothings_\*\*\*\*\* is gonna even cause a swerve. - = Trump \*\* = Trump again \*\*\* = Democratic Senators and Representatives \*\*\*\* = Dems again, but specifically Pelosi \*\*\*\*\* = GOP Senators, Representatives and others ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/26 "2018-12-16T00:56:55Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Bullshit shutdown. > > 1. It’s only a partial at worst. > 2. Trump owned it. That owns in for the Republican Party and they sure as hell don’t want that. > 3. It’s unpopular. A shutdown for the wall is polling at only 37%…showing again that Trump’s hardcore will support him no matter what but that the rest of the world is losing patience. > > [Americans Don’t Want A Government Shutdown Because Of The Border Wall | FiveThirtyEight](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-dont-want-a-government-shutdown-because-of-the-border-wall/) Of course, they predicted a Hillary landslide too. > **[Florida | 2016 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/)** > > Florida predictions and polling data for the 2016 presidential election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump The rest of the World being against a wall is a negative for the U.S. ? Please enlighten me . ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/27 "2018-12-16T01:41:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Freedom from what? You prefer anarchy? There have been numerous government shutdowns over the last several decades. Which one(s) resulted in anarchy? ---
**Author:** ![TSBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@TSBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TSBG)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/28 "2018-12-16T02:13:42Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > you might as well ask me how “From Justin to Kelly” ended Big dance number, Kelly wearing a skirt made out of ties. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/29 "2018-12-16T02:14:07Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > There have been numerous government shutdowns over the last several decades. Which one(s) resulted in anarchy? You have posted hundreds of these sorts of questions on this message board. Are you ever satisfied with the answers? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/30 "2018-12-16T02:16:41Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > There have been numerous government shutdowns over the last several decades. Which one(s) resulted in anarchy? Did I say any did? The poster I was answering wants a long shutdown. I was making a _prediction_. As in _guessing_ a _future_ event. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/31 "2018-12-16T02:50:04Z")
\*\*Government Shutdown 12/22: Real Shutdown, Bullshit Shutdown, or No Shutdown? \*\*It’s Donald Trump. It’s gonna be bullshit. No matter whatever possibilities of things it could be, it’s gonna be bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/32 "2018-12-16T03:34:13Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Of course, they predicted a Hillary landslide too. > > [Florida | 2016 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/) > > The rest of the World being against a wall is a negative for the U.S. ? > Please enlighten me . No, they didn’t. They gave the highest chance of for Trump to win, at the end giving him a 1 in 3 chance just before the election. Your Florida link shows only a 55% chance that Clinton would win. That’s a little bit more than 1 in 2, i.e. a coin flip. Please learn how to read percentages and don’t repeat untruths that someone else told you. FiveThirtyEight is still just as accurate as it has always been. They are the only ones who properly factored in a 3% polling error, which was enough for Trump to win. Oh, and they were quite accurate in the midterm election, getting the House forecast exactly right, and only slightly off for the Senate. So that whole “polling is useless” meme needs to die. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/33 "2018-12-16T05:42:52Z")
No way is Trump going to give up 16 days of golf at Mar-a-Lago to stay in DC. Important stuff matters to him. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/34 "2018-12-16T11:23:13Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > Of course, they predicted a Hillary landslide too. > > [Florida | 2016 Election Forecast | FiveThirtyEight](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/) Whoa, a prediction that Hillary would win Florida by 0.6% of the vote is a prediction of a Hillary landslide? Seriously, dude, you need to up your game when it comes to reading your own cites. ETA: Ninja’d by **BigT**. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/35 "2018-12-16T17:24:40Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > The rest of the World being against a wall is a negative for the U.S. ? > Please enlighten me . Oh alright, I’ll bite. No - you enlighten us, in bullet point form, how it’s a positive, without any references to them _ew_-like brownish types. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/36 "2018-12-16T20:25:21Z")
I voted “no shutdown” but am torn between that and “bullshit shutdown” if those are the only options. I think most likely they will pass a temporary resolution to keep the government open until after Christmas and take it up in January. Although I’m sure the GOP won’t be happy about that since they’ll have less control then. So that might tempt them toward at least a “bullshit shutdown.” :rolleyes: Although they probably really wanna get outta town, so that means continuing resolution. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/37 "2018-12-17T04:34:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Did I say any did? The poster I was answering wants a long shutdown. I was making a _prediction_. As in _guessing_ a _future_ event. Sure. But your _prediction_ has no basis in _reality_. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/38 "2018-12-17T09:57:59Z")
> [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > My prediction: No shutdown. > **My hope: A real shutdown, lasting a long, long time. The less government, the better.** > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Sure. But your _prediction_ has no basis in _reality_. Read the first quote again. A prediction based on the stated conditions. I don’t give a fuck if it’s never happened before. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/39 "2018-12-19T14:58:58Z")
Much to my surprise, Trump’s given us Federal workers the day off on 12/24. Doesn’t change the definition of a bullshit shutdown, for purposes of this poll. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174/40 "2018-12-19T15:07:40Z")
I think it’s a tossup between no shutdown and a real shutdown, with the latter being due to elements in the GOP or DJT not being able to attempt to demand some bullshit added to a continuing resolution and the Democrats being happy to stick DJT with his Trump-shutdown and wait until they have a majority in the house to go back to the negotiating table. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-12-22-real-shutdown-bullshit-shutdown-or-no-shutdown/826174.md?page=3)