# Government shutdown watch fall 2023 edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 5, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657 "2023-09-05T18:05:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/101 "2023-09-30T14:04:50Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > With that level of bi-partisan support, even in the dysfunctional House, how is “support Ukraine” the apparent sticking point? How can this idiot not pass a bill that already has the support of two thirds of the House? It’s all that Hastert Rule bullshit. If McCarthy dares to get a bill passed that is only possible with the support of the Democrats, the motion to vacate will proceed with the speed of light. That’s what makes McCarthy’s whining about whose fault the debt ceiling fiasco is especially annoying. He has a bill, right now, crafted in the Senate, that would pass today if he put it up for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/102 "2023-09-30T14:20:15Z")
I feel the same way, I haven’t been following the Republican demands too closely but I’m really surprised that it seems to be coming down to Ukraine. Like, I get that America First types don’t want us to be involved in foreign wars, and I get that we as a country have a pretty dismal record here. But there’s broad NATO support for Ukraine and I never expected _this_ to be the hill that they’d die on. It really only makes sense if they’re Russian agents. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/103 "2023-09-30T14:24:31Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > It really only makes sense if they’re Russian agents. Or if their voters have been propaganda-ized to be “useful idiots” in favor of the Russian agenda. Of course “Both of the above” is also a distinct possibility. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/104 "2023-09-30T14:26:28Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > It really only makes sense if they’re Russian agents. I agree. And it started with Trump trying to extort Zelenskyy. Trump is the top traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/105 "2023-09-30T14:35:42Z")
The longer that McCarthy is SOTH, the more he reminds me of Neville Chamberlain, except Chamberlain was more successful playing the appeasement game. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/106 "2023-09-30T16:09:50Z")
> **Bullwinkle** : Hey Rocky! Watch me pull an appeasement out of my hat! > **Rocky** : But that trick never works … > **Bullwinkle** : Presto! _Yank_. _ **Rooowwwr Chomp Chomp!!1!!1!!!** _. Face eaten by leopards … again. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/107 "2023-09-30T16:15:41Z")
**Rocky:** “And now, here’s something we doubt you’ll really like.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/108 "2023-09-30T16:24:15Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I get that America First types don’t want us to be involved in foreign wars Not so; they’re generally the same people screaming “bomb the brown people, er, Mexican cartels”. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/109 "2023-09-30T17:02:05Z")
'Zactly. They’re quite in favor of killing. As long as the right people are being killed. For their seriously misguided definition of “the right people.” ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/110 "2023-09-30T19:06:00Z")
The House passed something. I’m not into the weeds of it yet, but it was bipartisan, stiffed Ukraine, and didn’t contain any obvious poison pills that I saw at a cursory glance. Kevin actually put something up that Democrats voted in favor of. Now he’s toast. > **[Government shutdown averted with little time to spare as Biden signs funding...](https://news.yahoo.com/brink-government-shutdown-senate-tries-040907757.html)** > > The threat of a federal government shutdown suddenly lifted late Saturday as President Joe Biden signed a temporary funding bill to keep agencies open with little time to spare after Congress rushed to approve the bipartisan deal. After chaotic days... > In a 335-91 vote, the House passed a continuing resolution that would fund the government for 45 days. Applause and cheers broke out on the House floor after the vote. One Democrat and 90 Republicans voted against the bill. > > The short-term funding bill includes disaster relief funds, an extension of a federal flood insurance program and FAA reauthorization — but no Ukraine aid. The Senate must pass the bill before 12:01 a.m. Sunday to avert a government shutdown. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/111 "2023-09-30T19:17:33Z")
I’ll be damned, he actually did it. Expect Gaetz to file that motion to vacate on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/112 "2023-09-30T19:39:58Z")
Or not. The only problem with a bluff is that some day you may be challenged to wheel it out onto center stage light the fuze. If Gaetz can triangulate that this wasn’t _quite_ bad enough, he keeps the threat to use again next week. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/113 "2023-09-30T19:43:39Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > it was bipartisan, stiffed Ukraine It’s upsetting that it stiffed Ukraine. But I think it’s HUGE that McCarthy used Dem votes for the first time to bypass the nutcase caucus. I assume that McCarthy will immediately face a motion to remove him. It’ll be really interesting to see how that plays out. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/114 "2023-09-30T19:44:54Z")
Gaetz explicitly threatened that if Kevin passed _anything_ with the Democrats’ support that he’d file to vacate the chair immediately. Meanwhile there is credible reporting that Gaetz himself is meeting with Democrats to try and get their support for a new Speaker. Just hypocrisy on top of lies on top of threats on top of dysfunction on the R side of the House. > [@Riemann](#): > > It’s upsetting that it stiffed Ukraine. But I think it’s HUGE that McCarthy used Dem votes for the first time to bypass the nutcase caucus Absolutely! I was pleasantly shocked. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/115 "2023-09-30T19:46:57Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Gaetz himself is meeting with Democrats to try and get their support for a new Speaker How bizarre. Why would Dems support any Speaker _further_ into nutcase territory than McCarthy? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/116 "2023-09-30T19:49:30Z")
Really. I’d love to hear that sell job. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/117 "2023-09-30T19:49:57Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@MulderMuffin](#): > > > > Gaetz himself is meeting with Democrats to try and get their support for a new Speaker > > How bizarre. Why would Dems support any Speaker _further_ into nutcase territory than McCarthy? [https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/29/politics/democrats-matt-gaetz-mccarthy-speakership/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/29/politics/democrats-matt-gaetz-mccarthy-speakership/index.html) > “In the last 48 hours, he’s not just talking to Democrats. I’m talking about like, the furthest left most progressive Democrats to moderates,” the House Democrat told CNN. “He’s a salesman right now.” > > Asked about working with Democrats on his McCarthy ouster effort, Gaetz said: “The subject has come up, but it’s not my focus.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/118 "2023-09-30T19:52:41Z")
Of course _if_ the price of Dem support is rescinding the rule that gives Gaetz and the Hard-core Frothing Wacko Caucus a _de facto_ veto on the speakership, then we’d have a real horse race here. If Gaetz like hardball so much let’s watch him play defense against it. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/119 "2023-09-30T19:57:07Z")
Is Manchin the lone nay vote on the D side? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657/120 "2023-09-30T19:57:48Z")
Manchin is not in the House. The Senate hasn’t voted yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2023-edition/989657.md?page=7)