# Government shutdown watch Fall 2024 edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 19, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449 "2024-09-19T00:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/21 "2024-09-19T03:27:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Suppose Biden said: The Republicans are giving me a choice between shutting down the government, and making it harder to register to vote. I apologize to Americans for making it harder to register, but I cannot let the government shut down. I think this might take some wind out of Trump’s sails on an issue – greater proof of citizenship to vote – that I think would poll quite well ([since voter ID polls well with 79 percent in favor](https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-early-voting-photo-laws.aspx)). Lol ok brer rabbit. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/22 "2024-09-19T04:01:47Z")
Regarding the SAVE Act, please also see @ThelmaLou’s thread about specific proof of citizenships required: > [@How would you prove you're a citizen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-would-you-prove-youre-a-citizen/1007450/5): > > @ThelmaLou, what specific circumstances are we talking about in terms of providing proof? I mean, for example, in recent political news the SAVE act provision which crashed and burned, had distinct requirements for proof: Eligible documents include a REAL ID-compliant identification indicating U.S. citizenship; a valid U.S. passport, military ID and service record; a government-issued photo ID showing U.S. birthplace; or a government-issued photo ID that does not indicate birthplace or citi… [I’ve linked the various requirements and compliance bits there] But even if there are no difficulties for voters (not a given) to secure such, it’s another noticeable delay, with minimal mentions of how such requirements would work with mail-in-ballots and would likely affect individuals who can’t afford to take even MORE time to stand in line for physical voting. IE it’s yet more voter suppression, where it’ll be easier for older, retired, and rural voters (which tend heavily to (R) of course) to vote even with the new requirements, but make it harder for working class, urbananites, especially in high population (and leaning (D) of course) cities. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/23 "2024-09-19T14:19:48Z")
Yeah…this “government does not work, so let’s not fund it at all” concept is really getting old. People want to move on from Trump, Johnson and Vance. Think up some new scheme, GOP! ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/24 "2024-09-19T14:33:46Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > My own upend-conventional-wisdom idea here is that the [SAVE Act](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8281) Trump is demanding would help the Democrats, as they are better educated and thus more likely to follow complex voter registration instructions correctly. For most Democrats (I would hope), this isn’t about which side stands to benefit politically. There’s no good reason to potentially disenfranchise _anyone_ with this “solution” to a completely made-up problem. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/25 "2024-09-19T14:40:55Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I guess anything’s possible, but that’s not how these things play out. The Senate will pass a “clean” CR with plenty of Democratic and Republican votes, and Biden and Harris will loudly call for the House to do the same. The budget bill must start in the House. The Senate can’t pass anything first > All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/26 "2024-09-19T14:44:57Z")
The Senate can take any bill that has already passed the House that has any revenue-related provision in it, strip everything out of it, and insert their language for a continuing resolution. Technically the bill “originated” in the House even though the only thing that remains the same is the bill number. Several appropriations bills have passed the House but have not been acted on by the Senate, those are likely vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/27 "2024-09-19T15:30:41Z")
And just as expected Chuck Schumer announcing that he will file cloture today on a clean CR: [https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/19/congress/schumer-prepares-spending-backup-00180020](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/19/congress/schumer-prepares-spending-backup-00180020) ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/28 "2024-09-21T16:16:09Z")
Very simple solution. “only those who are lawfully allowed to vote, will be allowed to vote.”. and watch heads explode fighting over that! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/29 "2024-09-21T16:25:10Z")
Why fight over that? That’s already the case. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/30 "2024-09-22T21:23:12Z")
The House GOP is abandoning their former strategy (and Trump’s furious demand) that they include the SAVE Act in the CR. House leadership has unveiled a CR to fund the government through December 20 without the voter ID requirements. Details have not been revealed, but it’s likely to continue funding at current levels with some limited plus ups to things like defense and disaster response. Like everything else of any consequence this Congress has done, it will pass due to Democratic votes. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/31 "2024-09-23T21:07:19Z")
It will include increased funding for the Secret Service. Surely Trump won’t object to that. This will come again in early December. Then congress will have no political need to prevent government closing down. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/32 "2024-09-23T21:10:40Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > This will come again in early December. Then congress will have no political need to prevent government closing down. Nor a political need to cause it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449/33 "2024-09-25T20:55:15Z")
CR passed the House, can kicked until December. > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/government-shutdown-watch-fall-2024-edition/1007449.md?page=1)