So why do you insist that your feelings must apply to others such that you would ban this thing that many others feel they need?
A particularly callous and stupid way to describe the argument.
And I would support your right to make that decision. Live Long and Fight On, Brother!
But I will not fault others for making a different decision. And I will always oppose those who want to take away their right to make that decision for themselves.
Worth quoting, including the extra effort to include the Sig. Thank you and other people, staff and volunteers, for being out there to offer that saving hand. Sort of like “Catchers in the Rye,” trying to intercept people before they fall off that cliff-edge. Real heroes, and thank you!
Thanks, Trin.
I endorse this.
That isn’t what I meant, and you bloody well know it. Your fear of dying doesn’t trump everyone else’s choices. Like I said, if that’s the case you need an advance directive or living will. That way, if you’re in a state where you can no longer speak for yourself, your wishes will be followed.
Unlike you, however, not everyone is afraid of death. Just as you call people who commit suicide “cowards”, they may consider you one because of your extreme fear. Stop and think about it. ESPECIALLY after your disgusting comments about people who jumped from the Twin Towers.
Why is anyone STILL responding to the scared little boy?
His irrational fear of death does not warrant getting these threads moved to the Pit.
Ignore his baiting and stick to the topic at hand.
He had brain cancer. His wife says he dried peacefully after taking medication to end his life.
And that, as they say, is that.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/06/3719986/rasmussen-death-with-dignity/
May he rest in peace.
Not posting with logic?
If you predict that the rest of your life will have more pain than pleasure it makes perfect sense to choose the option where you’re not at a happiness deficit. Most people aren’t in situations where they expect a net negative in happiness for the rest of their lives, so they don’t kill themselves. It’s pretty simple. No threat to the continued survival of humanity.
Not that you give a shit about that or whether the person is 4 or 40. You’re a broken husk of a person. A former human being. Why don’t you let the choices about humanity be decided by those of us that still have some?
And if your prediction is wrong, there’s no taking back that choice - not that a person who predicts the rest of their life will be miserable can be trusted to make a rational decision on that important of a matter anyway.
And those people have got it all backwards and the mindset they promote is cowardly and anti-human.
Some people think fearing death is cowardly.
We’ve been through this with Smapti before:
Fearing death is more rational than fearing suffering. Suffering is part of what it means to be human. There is joy in suffering because it means we can still feel, there is pride in enduring that which others fear, and there is virtue in setting an example for others in pain.
There is no virtue, pride, or joy in death.
And you won’t know, that’s the beauty of it.
Who trusts a dead person to make decisions?
We’re all going to die someday – that’s another part of what it means to be human. As for “suffering is noble”, fuck that shit. Nobody should have to suffer just because hyou think there’s something “joyful” about it. Nobody should be forced to choose that. I don’t think you understand that – nobody is being taken off life support against their will. It’s simply choosing to go out on one’s own terms.
There’s also no virtue in saying that people who jumped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 were cowards. Quite the opposite. It’s absolutely disgusting. I’d also point out that many HAVE faced death without fear, and one SHOULD be proud of the way they died, to save others – as I mentioned before, those on Flight 93.
You won’t risk your miserable hide for anyone else, no matter how small that risk is. You say “there’s always hope”, and expect people to go on suffering. But when someone says, “hey, you know, these people need help”, you refuse if it means even the tiniest little bit of danger to your own worthless self. You’re a hypocrite and a coward and you should do the world a favor and go hide in a cave somewhere.
Bull. Death is antithetical to humanity. The entire history of mankind, all our greatest technological, social, and cultural achievements, have been done in the name of conquering death, both metaphorically and literally. To resign to death is to give up on humanity.
It’s not a choice anyone has the right to make, for themselves or anyone else.
It’s a factual statement, not a question of virtue or aesthetics.
Nobody on Flight 93 committed suicide but the hijackers, so it’s not relevant to the topic at hand.
I’m not afraid of suffering. You are so terrified by the notion that you would prefer to destroy everything that you are, ever have been, and ever could be to avoid it.
Your accusation rings hollow.
BTW, I do actually have some misgivings on the subject. I fall on the side that’s it’s probably better to give the choice, but I also know first hand that there are times where you think suicide might be the better option when it isn’t. So I’m very much for limits on this sort of thing.
But I don’t feel we can have that sort of discussion on this board with Smapti around. Sure, if everyone would ignore him we could, but he says such noxious things that I don’t think that’ll happen.
I know I don’t really want to come back to this thread to have it.
You are antithetical to humanity.
Thank you, Peter Rasmussen, for your courage.