# Goyim as slaves. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 29, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308 "2018-04-29T12:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/41 "2018-04-30T12:35:24Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > [https://youtu.be/-ifAs\_PqyE8](https://youtu.be/-ifAs_PqyE8) > > Listen to Dr. Kurek on the role that the Jews played themselves in the extermination of their own kind during the Holocaust. In Polish. > This subject is seriously part of the debate concerning the recent conflict between Israel and Poland. Can you summarize her argument, for the benefit of non-Polish-speakers? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/42 "2018-04-30T12:42:08Z")
Bear in mind that this so-called “conflict between Israel and Poland” is almost entirely one-sided - Israel said what it had to say, and has since moved on to more immediate concerns. This whole thing has little to do with Israel or even the Holocaust, really. It’s an internal matter, and it’s mostly about Poland’s recent slide into totalitarianism. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/43 "2018-04-30T12:47:29Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > Are you stygmatizing the mentally ill? > Of course, it’s self admitted. Wouldn’t you admit to having a need for an orthopedist if you broke your leg? > I was psychotic for a long time. There’s no way you could understand how destructive this disease is. Slowly getting back to the real world isn’t simple neither. NO, not stigmatizing. I am glad, very glad, that you’re working on getting well. I think you can do it, man. I have been through some kinda shit too, in the past…felt like I was at the bottom of a well with greased walls. But I did climb out and so can you. You will figure this shit out, just try to forget about the Jews and Poland and all this pointless sectarian division. It says you’re in Montreal, I’ve been there many times, it’s beautiful. Is your first language French? Or are you Polish? In any case, you’re lucky just to live in Montreal. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/44 "2018-04-30T13:01:09Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0Ji_Y7YEbKY/maxresdefault.jpg "Israelis: Do you believe that gentiles (goys) will be slaves for the Jews?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ji_Y7YEbKY) First this. When the Messiah comes, the non-jews will be slaves to the Jews. GOYIM. I can’t truly summerize her argument. I’d have to translate it first. I speak Polish but I don’t feel apt to translate. In short, she delves into historical facts which she cited as well from Jewish sources. Otherwise the facts are a common complaint. There’s a bizarre eye for an eye tooth for a tooth effect with Poles refusing to admit their own guilt. Pogroms happened as in Jedwabne which is really linked to the Nazis who used the local population to shift the blame on the Poles for burning the area’s Jews in a barn. The Poles deny it. And the government isn’t able to exhume the victims because the historical process has met with opposition from the chief Rabbi. But Poles have done terrible things to the Jews regardless of the Jedwabne case. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/45 "2018-04-30T13:12:42Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > NO, not stigmatizing. I am glad, very glad, that you’re working on getting well. I think you can do it, man. I have been through some kinda shit too, in the past…felt like I was at the bottom of a well with greased walls. But I did climb out and so can you. You will figure this shit out, just try to forget about the Jews and Poland and all this pointless sectarian division. It says you’re in Montreal, I’ve been there many times, it’s beautiful. Is your first language French? Or are you Polish? In any case, you’re lucky just to live in Montreal. Thank you for writing. I am Polish and part Jewish. I am born in Montreal. I’m not letting go until both sides live up to the true facts about Poland & Israel being guilty of crimes against each other. This conflict is raging and needs to get solved. I used RAGING as in a Dylan tune. About a battle outside &&& I can’t write a song myself. So this thread is the best I can do. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/46 "2018-04-30T13:16:40Z")
You CAN write a song, there are numerous things even in the thing you wrote that could be developed into a song. Don’t sell yourself short. If you like Bob Dylan, just learn a few basic guitar chords (it’s not hard to do) and then try to copy some of his songs with adding your own lyrics…that’d be a good starting point. People who think a lot, like you do, gotta channel that energy into something creative and productive. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/47 "2018-04-30T13:20:20Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > Thank you for writing. I am Polish and part Jewish. > I am born in Montreal. > I’m not letting go until both sides live up to the true facts about Poland & Israel being guilty of crimes against each other. This conflict is raging and needs to get solved. I used RAGING as in a Dylan tune. > About a battle outside &&& > I can’t write a song myself. So this thread is the best I can do. 😕 What crime against Poland is Israel guilty of? What crime against Israel is Poland guilty of? ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/48 "2018-04-30T13:21:19Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Would that be Ewa [“Jews Had Fun In The Ghetto”](https://www.timesofisrael.com/polish-officials-prevent-award-to-author-accused-of-anti-semitism/) Kurek? Sadly yes. She’s the one. She used to be very popular and a serious researcher. Sorry she slipped. I wasn’t aware of her opinion about fun in the ghettos. She was misunderstood or misquoted? I think she’s Jewish herself. And she’s got enemies in high places because she’s outspoken. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/49 "2018-04-30T13:21:24Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > I’d like to thank everyone. Thanks for the enlightening shit. > I want to insist this debate is for the Polish people so I’m sorry. Americans don’t have a clue about this debate and conflict between Jews & Poles, Israel and Poland. Um… are you saying there are no Polish-Americans? No Jews in Americans? Granted, the majority of Americans are probably clueless, but not all. You’re coming across as someone who sees people in monolithic blocks and that’s not how people are, they aren’t uniform. > [@](#): > > It started when the ambassador of Israel to Poland went to Auschwitz for a commemoration and publicly decried Polish extermination Camps. The IPN followed by proposing a law to forbid blaming Poland for these crimes against the Jewish during the Holocaust. Which got passed by the government. Right, that - the Israelis (and the larger Jewish diaspora) are pretty clear those camps were located in Poland, hence the geographical reference “Polish concentration camps” as opposed to, say, “Serbian concentration camps” like Banjica located in another place. The Poles want to disclaim these places and have them referred only as “German camps” or, more accurately, “Nazi camps” to distance themselves from what happened there. It’s a difficult issue for any nation that had these camps, but more so for the Poles because all but one of the outright extermination camps that existed solely to kill people were located in Poland. However, consider that Germany and Israel currently have good relations even though the Nazis were very clearly German. It was a long road, and a difficult one, and required that Germany not varnish what had occurred during WWII. If this could be done by Germany it should be something that any nation in Europe could accomplish. While both the Jews and Poland were victims of the Nazis, there continues to be friction between them. > [@](#): > > Jews actually often hate Poland because they say that the Poles acted worse than the Nazis during the war. _Some_ Jews hate Poland, often Jews who survived WWII in Poland and went through absolute hell. Yes, _some_ Poles were Nazi collaborators - when the Nazis rolled through Europe a lot of anti-Semitic bigots used it as an excuse to go on a rampage and exercise their own hate. But no, Israelis do not uniformly hate Poles, nor do Jews in a broader sense There IS a sense that Poland has not come to terms with the fact that _some_ Poles committed war crimes as collaborators with the Nazi invaders. There is a lack of acknowledgement that in a sense the Nazis won in Poland - before WWII there were over 3 million Jews living in Poland. Today, a mere 8,000 or so, and that’s _after_ a population rebound. Germany, the origin of Nazism where the Final Solution was invented, has nearly 100,000. The Nazis killed 90% of the Jews in Poland, and it puzzles no one why so may survivors fled. The fact that Poland was the only Eastern Block nation that let the Jews leave without hassle likely had something to do with that as well - many Jews in other USSR controlled nations wanted to leave but were prevented from doing so. Even so - the rate of collaboration of Poles with Nazis was no greater than anywhere else in Europe, and less than 1% of the population. Poland had more people [risk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II#Aid_to_Jews) [their](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust) [lives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_Among_the_Nations) to save Jews than anywhere else, and this is recognized by both Israel and the Jewish diaspora. I’m not entirely sure Poland is aware of this recognition. But a lot of the dispute is that people in Poland seem to not understand that while Jews say “Auschwitz is a Polish concentration camp” they’re referring to geography and not which nation controlled it and recognize that Poland was victimized, abused, and its people murdered by the Nazis, many in that very same camp. I suspect language and translation difficulties are a factor here. > [@](#): > > Poles largely hate the Jews because of their Stalinist crimes against the Polish anti-communist opposition and have proof of, yes, even Jews joining the Nazis who harmed their own kind. You have mentioned this before and I asked for more detail. WHAT “Stalinist” crimes? It’s not like Stalin had any love for Jews and if there was any sort of cooperation between Jews and the USSR during WWII it was like that between the US and USSR - enemies joining forces against another enemy that threatened them both. The USSR ruthlessly suppressed Judaism the religion and Jewish culture. If you’re talking about the Sonderkommando it’s hard for them to take “responsibility” for what they did as the vast majority were systematically murdered after three months on the job, and none of them volunteered, they were picked out of line and put to work and if they didn’t like it or showed any resistance they were summarily shot. Even the Nazis didn’t demand they kill their own, “merely” asked them to cremate the bodies and dispose of the evidence. > [@](#): > > This is a seething conflict in Poland right now. Yes, that has made the news. > [@](#): > > Consult the Polish historian Dr Kurek on YouTube. > (In Polish). Not terribly helpful to those who don’t speak Polish. > [@](#): > > I know that Stalin and Lenin came before Israel’s creation. But the Poles also have a grudge for lack of a better word against the Jews for their wide participation in plain communist crimes against the freedom loving Poles. Again - what crimes are you talking about? Can you give an example? Preferably more than one? > [@](#): > > Wickedness of the targetted party runs deep in the subconscious as fear. > Fear breeds hate. Yes, this is true. > [@](#): > > I am insecure not an historian even less a psychologist an anthropologist a politician. Or a humanist. > I am trying to straighten out for myself the Polish-Jewish conflict in Poland and Israel. Well, OK, please, do more research and seek information from a variety of sources. > [@](#): > > Which is about the problem posed by blaming Poland for crimes against humanity during W W2. What crimes is Poland accused of, and who is doing the accusing? It’s pretty universally recognized that the responsible party for the atrocities in Poland in WWII are the Nazis, not the Poles, and about six million Poles were killed during that war. > [@](#): > > There’s a bizarre and complicated tit for tat going on in both Israel and Poland. yes, this is true, however, I think you may be inflating the importance of this one particular point of contention. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/50 "2018-04-30T13:28:57Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > 😕 What crime against Poland is Israel guilty of? What crime against Israel is Poland guilty of? 1. Jewish Stalinist collaborators. And plain communists later who harshly repressed the Polish anti-communist opposition. Hundreds of thousands were killed. People like Jakub Berman are guilty. Stalin purposefully picked his henchmen among the Jews in the Red Army. To specifically pacify Poland. 2. Poles participated in pogroms in which countless Jews died. They sold Jews off to the Nazis. And so forth. I am learning about it myself. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/51 "2018-04-30T13:38:54Z")
Poland is still in a transition period since the fall of communism. Many historical facts are just coming out. > **[Jakub Berman](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakub_Berman)** > > Jakub Berman (23 December 1901 – 10 April 1984) was a Polish communist politician. An activist during the Second Polish Republic, in post-war communist Poland he was a member of the Politburo of the Polish Workers' Party (PPR) and then of the Polish United Workers' Party (PZPR). From 1948, he was considered the second most powerful politician in Poland after Presidet Bolesław Bierut, until removed from power in 1956, following Bierut's death. > Alongside Bierut, Berman was responsible for party o... ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/52 "2018-04-30T13:40:36Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > 1. Jewish Stalinist collaborators. And plain communists later who harshly repressed the Polish anti-communist opposition. Hundreds of thousands were killed. People like Jakub Berman are guilty. > Stalin purposefully picked his henchmen among the Jews in the Red Army. To specifically pacify Poland. > 2. Poles participated in pogroms in which countless Jews died. They sold Jews off to the Nazis. And so forth. > I am learning about it myself. Wait, do you think “Jewish people” and “Israelis” are the same thing, or what? Because what you’re describing predates the existence of Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/53 "2018-04-30T13:43:44Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > [https://youtu.be/0Ji\_Y7YEbKY](https://youtu.be/0Ji_Y7YEbKY) > > First this. When the Messiah comes, the non-jews will be slaves to the Jews. GOYIM. OK, just a minute or two into the video and the speaker is identified as “Neturei Karta”, a _Jewish fringe group_ that many Jews question are even Jewish in views and practice anymore. It’s like holding up Westboro Baptist Church as an example of mainstream Christianity. Holy cow, these are _anti-Israeli Jews_ who believe the state of Israel should be dismantled. Even most of the other ultra-Orthodox Jews think these guys are nuts. Again, you are focusing on the exceptions and the extremes. Neturei Karta is, at most, 5,000 people. There are about 14 million Jews around the world (and Neturei Karta denies the existence of half of them). You’re focusing on 0.04% of Jews and saying they represent than other 99.96%. This is not logical or rational. Not to mention other Jews in the video go on to openly laugh at the notion, and to talk about the anti-slavery parts of the holy writings. > [@](#): > > There’s a bizarre eye for an eye tooth for a tooth effect with Poles refusing to admit their own guilt. Yes. Because that requires some hard self-reflection. WWII was hell, and it drove even good men to do terrible things even as it gave bad men an excuse to do even worse things. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/54 "2018-04-30T13:46:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Haven’t you ever heard of “Buy low, sell high?” Great, now I’m supposed to give my slaves weed? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/55 "2018-04-30T14:20:48Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > Thank you for writing. I am Polish and part Jewish. Do you experience internal conflict over this? Given that you speak Polish I assume you have some familiarity with Poland and its culture, how familiar are you with Judaism? Could some of this conflict come from knowing one side of your heritage and not the other? > [@](#): > > I’m not letting go until both sides live up to the true facts about Poland & Israel being guilty of crimes against each other. It would help if you were more specific about these crimes. Also, understand that the rest of the world understand that many crimes occurred on Polish territory during WWII that Poland is not responsible for, and indeed, many Poles died trying to prevent. > [@mrka](#): > > Sadly yes. She’s the one. She used to be very popular and a serious researcher. Sorry she slipped. > I wasn’t aware of her opinion about fun in the ghettos. > She was misunderstood or misquoted? I think she’s Jewish herself. And she’s got enemies in high places because she’s outspoken. Whether or not she’s Jewish has no bearing on whether or not she has her facts straight. A quick bit of research indicates that it was around 2006 when all this controversy with Ewa Kurek blew up. She seems to mistake attempts of Jews to distract themselves from being under siege, imprisoned in ghettos, with people crowded multiple families to a room, people literally dying of starvation in the street because they didn’t have money to buy food on the black market, epidemics of illness also killing people, with “having fun”. With being able to hold sabbath services and education people with somehow being OK - well, hell, Jews attempted to educated children even in the concentration camps, with a few instances of bar mitzvahs occurring in the camps but that doesn’t mean everything was OK or that those Jews were free. It was people trying to cling to life despite being on a sinking ship. The notion that the Warsaw ghetto was somehow “autonomous” is bullshit. It was a fenced in area where Nazis stored Jews before carting them off the gas chambers. It’s like saying a field full of cattle milling around outside a slaughterhouse are “free” because at that particular moment no one is using a cattle prod to force them to do things. She talks about the Judenrat, the Jews who acted as representatives of Jews and their community to the Nazis. The fact that they tried to negotiate and yielded on various points is nothing new and has to be viewed in historical context. They were attempting to save Jews when confronted with an enemy that wanted them wiped from the face of the Earth. She also seems to think the sonderkommando were involved in actual killing of Jews. They weren’t. It’s very clear they weren’t, both from their own accounts AND Nazi records - the sonnderkommando were involved with body disposal and processing of items taken from the dead, they did not act as executioners. > [@mrka](#): > > 1. Jewish Stalinist collaborators. And plain communists later who harshly repressed the Polish anti-communist opposition. Hundreds of thousands were killed. People like Jakub Berman are guilty. Berman was a communist before WWII. He happened to come from a Jewish family. That doesn’t mean he was representative of all Jews. Again, you are mistaking an outlier for the majority. Part of the reason the Holocaust happened was blaming a large group of people for the actions of a few of that group. If we don’t move past that we’ll only continue to repeat atrocities. Hence, why I distinguish between “Nazis” and “Germans”. Nazis were horrible people, but only a subset of Germans and it is unjust to blame all Germans for the actions of the Nazis. Likewise, there have been bad Polish people, but it would be unjust to blame all Poles for their actions. There have been bad Jews, but it would be unjust to blame all Jews for their actions. Jakub Berman alone bears responsibility for his crimes, not all Jews and not all Poles. > [@](#): > > Stalin purposefully picked his henchmen among the Jews in the Red Army. To specifically pacify Poland. Yes. That IS how autocrats operate. The fact he had to pick through Jews in the Red Army (already a small minority of that army) to find proper collaborators should tell you that such people were rare and in no way representative of the larger group. > [@](#): > > Poles participated in pogroms in which countless Jews died. They sold Jews off to the Nazis. And so forth. Yes. This is not news. However, those particular Poles are responsible for their crimes, NOT Poland as a whole. As I’ve noted, Polish collaborators were less than one percent of the Polish population. They are not representative of the Polish people as a whole. > [@](#): > > I am learning about it myself. Please continue to learn more. However, be wary of where your information is coming from. There are numerous fringe ideas, many of which are contradicted by the raw facts. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/56 "2018-04-30T15:01:15Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > Thank you for writing. I am Polish and part Jewish. > I am born in Montreal. > I’m not letting go until both sides live up to the true facts about Poland & Israel being guilty of crimes against each other. This conflict is raging and needs to get solved. I used RAGING as in a Dylan tune. > About a battle outside &&& > I can’t write a song myself. So this thread is the best I can do. Two questions: 1. Have you ever been to Poland? 2. You keep using the same “Goyim as slaves” title in your posts. What does that even mean? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/57 "2018-04-30T15:13:54Z")
I see my advice went unheeded. Seriously. Sing a song about this. Hell, it could be a punk rock song or something, it can be all angry and full of rage if you’re pissed off about something regarding all this Jewish/Polish shit, just channel these feelings into something creative rather than just rambling screeds. You will thank me later! Man, you will build confidence, you’ll get attention from the girls/guys that you want, and if it takes off, you could actually go somewhere with it. If not, just busk on street corners or something, just preferably not Poland or Israel. I’m thinking San Francisco. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/58 "2018-04-30T16:51:54Z")
Thank you to all. Does anybody know how to close the thread? I’m in deep doo doo, obviously. Indeed I don’t know anything about the Jews Israel nor Poland and the Poles. I am super conscious by means of spontaneous kundalini. Which doesn’t guarantee a high IQ or any knowledge whatsoever. I used to be a Yoga teacher but went overboard in my personal practice hence the spontaneity. It’s bad I know. I’m worried about both Anti-Semitism and Anti-Polonism for nothing. This tit for tat swinging motion between both nations is sickening and people like Ewa Kurek made it worse. I will review my sources. Meantime good luck to all. May love prevail. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/59 "2018-04-30T16:56:38Z")
> [@mrka](#): > > Meantime good luck to all. > May love prevail. Peace. …And with you. ---
**Author:** ![mrka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4da419/32.png) [@mrka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrka)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308/60 "2018-04-30T16:57:53Z")
It means that there’s this popular belief that non-jews would be forced to serve their Jewish masters when the Messiah comes. I’ve heard about it many times. Not just in that video on YouTube I quoted apparently giving in to some kind of biased subgroup. I thought it provided an answer to the burning question whether Jews were massively capitalist or communist. I’m wrong of course. Oh doo doo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goyim-as-slaves/813308.md?page=4)