# Grade A Students: No Donuts for You! More Political Correctness Kills Fun
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 27, 2004, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800 "2004-08-27T15:53:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/41 "2004-08-28T00:33:45Z")
> [@Trigonal Planar](#):
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> Ha! You were nothing but a spoiled brat! I was happy to get just get one beating instead of two.
They _beat_ you? Such coddling! Why I could only envy human contact!
Our teacher wouldn’t touch us, no. She would throw a dictionary (Oxford Unabridged) at us when we answered questions _correctly_.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/42 "2004-08-28T00:42:29Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#):
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> Hah, when I conquer rough times at work I reward myself with escarole and a few dabs of low-fat low-carb tofu. Find fault with that, baby.
_That’s_ your “reward food”? What the hell do you eat when you haven’t done anything reward-worthy that day? A bowl of sand and a glass of seawater?
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### Author:  [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/43 "2004-08-28T05:28:09Z")
Ummm, I am with the person quoted in the OP. No, a few donuts for As at the end of each quarter isn’t gong to magically make kids fat.
The problem isn’t the donuts, it’s planting the seeds of “yummy food” as reward. The psychological issues behind why America overeats is, imo, more to blame than the food types themselves.
What happened to dollars for As? There’nothing wrong with rewards for As, but I don’t agree with the whole “food as reward” thing.
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### Author:  [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/44 "2004-08-28T06:58:43Z")
What about no food as punishment then? If the kid gets a D, he doesn’t eat until next quarter’s grades.
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### Author:  [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/45 "2004-08-28T07:03:11Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#):
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> What happened to dollars for As?
Oh hell yeah, straight As would get me a couple dozen, glazed.
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### Author:  [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/46 "2004-08-28T07:05:02Z")
Ooooh! My first **snaking alert**!
> [@](#):
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> **Derleth** : Ha! If you want to see principles, wait until KK decides to spend a little advertising money on `eduational' materials for schools on the `new research’ about carbs. Or simply helps defray the cost of education in return for favorable posters in lunchrooms and a few field trips a year.
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> `Principle' is another way to spell `payoff’.
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### Author:  [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/47 "2004-08-28T07:11:53Z")
> [@Berkut](#):
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> Oh hell yeah, straight As would get me a couple dozen, glazed.
Ya know??? I thought of that RIGHT after it was too late, and I’d hit submit.
😃
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### Author:  [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2004, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/48 "2004-08-28T10:19:08Z")
I wasn’t snaking, I was doing my part to rid the world of optimisim and idealism.
Besides, your new schtick has already gotten old.
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### Author:  [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2004, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/49 "2004-08-30T12:00:56Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#):
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> If parents want to stuff their kids with donuts, great. But schools have no obligation to do any such thing or reward anybody for grades. In fact, it upsets me more when schools insist on rewarding students for good grades. Not because it makes the stupid kids feel bad, but because it sends a message to the smart and hard working students that they are so far outside the norm that they need to be rewarded for their entirely foreign and unexpected behaivor.
Sorry, I disagree. What’s foreign and unexpected is the admission that acheivement in anything other than sports is reward-worthy. No, I’m not suggesting rally assemblies for the honor roll students. I’m just saying that both schools and families have a tendency to overvalue and overreward athletic achievements, while letting academic achievements go unrecognized. You made the varsity squad? WOOHOO! I’m taking you out for a steak dinner! You made the honor roll? Good, good…that’s good. What’s for dinner?
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with letting smart and hard-working students know that somebody gives a shit.
> [@](#):
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> I say good for the school. Maybe if they really feel the students need to be rewarded they can think of something that’s a bit better for them than gobs of fat covered in sugar.
Well, I say good too, but only because I’m not in line with food as a reward.
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### Author:  [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2004, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/50 "2004-08-30T14:34:43Z")
Can’t I post something that I didn’t think all the way through and get away with it? :smack:
But, that being said…
Donuts are not ‘bad for you’, and I don’t like that a representative of a school would cast a vote against donuts, because she struggled/struggles with eating too much.
I want my kid getting every legit offer, with no one screening it because they fear it is unhealthy. If you create a taboo like donuts and don’t bother to include such things in kids diets, then kids don’t learn how to balance one with the other.
Ok, they have some big health initiative at that school, and maybe I should understand that it is easier to shun donut makers than it is to incorporate fun foods into a healthy diets, but I also worry when someone trys to protect me/my family from our own choices.
Let’s walk the line of definitions of “PC”…but when someone trys to protect me/my family from our own choices, then you can drag in ideology.
The school rep wants to protect kids from donuts. No, she can’t stop them from choosing donuts, but she might want to remain nuetral and let the merits of what they are teaching about diets hold up in a real world test.
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### Author:  [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/51 "2004-08-30T23:09:40Z")
> [@Philster](#):
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> I want my kid getting every legit offer, with no one screening it because they fear it is unhealthy.
I simply don’t see how you can view a school _declining to advertise a Krispy Kreme promotion in the schools_ as them trying to protect you and your family from their own choices. Most (normal) people think having ads shoved in their kids’ faces 24 hours a day is a bad thing. I never thought I’d hear someone complain that not advertising was equivalent denying their kids opportunities.
“What if Jimmy doesn’t know how many hamburgers he can get at McDonald’s for $1.99? What will become of him??”
> [@](#):
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> The school rep wants to protect kids from donuts. No, she can’t stop them from choosing donuts, but she might want to remain nuetral and let the merits of what they are teaching about diets hold up in a real world test.
Heck, why stop at nutrition? Schools should probably remain neutral on all science, just to be safe. Who are they to tell your kids they can’t think an atom is made of nougat? The real world will determine whether a nougat-based atom is a useful picture.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/52 "2004-08-31T00:54:40Z")
**Phislter** , I absolutely do not understand what you are arguing. How does it interfere with your choices for the school to _decline to cooperate with Krispy Kreme’s promotion_ and to state that they disagree with it? _They are not preventing anyone from making the choice!_
If _AFTER_ learning the facts about healthy diets, you decide that a dozen Krispy Kremes is a great way to start your day, then it’s absolutely fine – because then it has become an _ **informed** choice_.
Most of us would agree that one part of curing the _Plague of Whiners o’er the Land_ is to teach our children that actions have consequences and they should take responsibility for those consequences. Well, stating the _true fact_ that “eating a lot of donuts can make you fat, and that’s not healthy for kids” IS creating awareness of consequence of their actions. You teach _that_ in school, and you can then laugh out of court Jabba the Teenager’s lawsuit based on that he had no idea inhaling pastries by the dozen was unhealth.
**Giraffe** … alas, brother… you do remember there IS one whole _major_ component of _serious_ life-sciences on which many DO succesfully pressure the schools to “remain neutral” about “alternatives”? (How come nobody ever accuses _creationists_ of being PC?)
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### Author:  [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/53 "2004-08-31T19:04:29Z")
[A comic regarding this topic.](http://www.lorebrandcomics.com/freedoughnuts.html)
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### Author:  [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/54 "2004-08-31T21:43:52Z")
> [@Mtgman](#):
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> Ewww! No! Biblio_philes_ are those scary guys who always return the books with the pages all stuck together and the binding stretched out. Or those hanging out in the “Renaissance Art” section of the library and leaving with their hands in their pockets. Nope, definitely not those guys!
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> 🙂
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> Enjoy,
> Steven
Biblioholic is a fine descriptor.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2004, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/grade-a-students-no-donuts-for-you-more-political-correctness-kills-fun/261800/55 "2004-09-01T07:55:20Z")
> [@Philster](#):
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> Donuts are not ‘bad for you’,
Perhaps not, but they sure as hell ain’t good for you.
The school does not have an obligation to push Krispy Kremes. For godsakes, if you’re that hung up about your kids not having donuts, go out and buy them for the kids!
Jesus Christ.
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